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Toyota ECHO, Sedan
Sep 29, 2005 (4:39 pm)
According to Consumer Reports the ECHO is one of the top five cars for reliability. The car is made in Japan which I think is an advantage considering my wifes Camry which is made here as I understand it. I thought I had a leaky PS pump the other day, but I had spilled oil on it when previously adding oil during an oil change. My 2001 will be five years old this November 12. It will have about 30,500 miles on it then with no problems at all. People who have trouble with their ECHOs generally have quite a few miles on them when they do.
I use my ECHO (with manual transmission) to drive 6 miles or so to work everyday. Very seldom does it go over 45 mph or take the freeway. This summer its been getting 40-42 mpg in this role. I expect when winter comes the mileage will drop to 38-40 mpg. This summer when I drove to Atlantic City on the freeway I got over 50 mpg driving at a steady 60 mph.
I like the ECHO mostly because its a Toyota and therefore needs few repairs. It gets great mileage. Its the easiest car there is to get in and and out of, with its high seat height. Theres a lot of room inside for a small car and lots of places to stuff things in the dashboard. The car is agile in city traffic and super easy to find and get into a parking spot. The engine has excellent power for so small a displacement (1.5 liters). The car is super easy to work on, oil changes, air filter, sparkplugs, coolant, transmission oil, brake fluid changes etc can easily be done at home. (Toyota has NEVER seen this car. The only thing I will let them do is put a new muffler on it when it needs it (free lifetime warranty parts and labor) change the belts and the rear brakes)
Dislikes? The only one that comes to mind is driving in snow. The car has all the traction of a pickup truck, especially uphill and especially in deep snow. Its super twitchy on packed snow and feels like it going to swap ends any second. I borrow my sons 93 Nissan Altima whenever possible! I have the Bridgestone Potenzas on it PE 92. Im hoping for better results when I get new tires. (but that might be a while as the Potenzas are only half worn out) Im thinking the light weight of the car (2000 pounds) is responsible for the poor performance in snow.
You are not the first person to notice the distain Edmunds has for this car. In no other review that I read of the ECHO did anyone dis it like Edmunds did. On the contrary they were very enthusiastic about it. Almost to a lister everyone here like this car very much.
Toyota doesnt sell the ECHO in the US anymore. I read they only sold like 3000 of them here in 2004. Suposedly there was going to be a "replacement" in 2006 but that hasnt happened. Theres talk of another replacement next year. So you might go for a used ECHO (an excellent idea!) or wait till next year to see what turns up. I DONT recommend the xa at all but you might like it. Good luck and tell us what you decide!
#4776 of 5822 Re: Problems? [kneisl1]
Sep 29, 2005 (5:15 pm)
"I have the Bridgestone Potenzas on it PE 92." That is your snow problem in a nutshell. Check the review on TireRack. They got a 3.7 out of 10 for snow and poor for almost everything else. They are one of the worst tires for snow driving that money can buy. With anything else, the Echo is fairly decent in snow. Light weight is not necessarily a problem for snow driving. My 1969 Mini Cooper weighed 1485 lbs and was very good in snow, even with all-season (but good) tires.
Sep 29, 2005 (6:12 pm)
I hadnt seen that on Tire Rack about the Potenzas. I suspected as much but Im gratefull to have the information. I will probably get rid of them before the snow flies. It just isnt worth wrecking the car over them!
#4778 of 5822 Re: Potenzas [kneisl1]
Sep 29, 2005 (9:26 pm)
I couldn't agree more. NEVER drive on less than good tires, get excellent ones if you can!!
#4779 of 5822 replacement tires
Sep 30, 2005 (6:06 am)
I remember being told on this excellent forum that KUMHO tires HP 716 are good.They certainly get a good review on tire rack. Anyone able to second that? Or recommend another? Im leaning strongly at this point to the Kumhos.
#4780 of 5822 I recently....
Sep 30, 2005 (7:13 am)
.....decided to to go with a set of Kumho Touring A/S 795's on my Tercel. The tires I have now still have about half of their tread left (with about 50K miles), but they are absolutely horrible in the snow. The tires I currently have were $25 specials (no name brand). The 795's had the highest snow and ice traction ratings of the 30 tires in their class (listed on the Tire Rack's web site), and they rated near the top in all other catagories. I put about 3K a month on my Tercel and I need tires that can handle the snow. They are also very nicely priced (mine were only $33 a piece, also from the Tire Rack). I have read nothing but good things about Kumho tires in general and I will post my review of these tires after I've had a chance to put some miles on them.
#4781 of 5822 2001 Echo Serviced on Sept 26, 05
Sep 30, 2005 (1:22 pm)
2001 Echo, 47,938 miles, "Check Engine" light came on.
Dealer code P0171 System Too Lean: Replaced MAF Sensor Control Motor, 22204-ODO3O Meter Sub-Assy, INTA.
Also did a Fuel Induction Service (Top Eng Clnr Kit) and 4 Cyl Tune-Up (4 spark plugs).
Service done by dealer in Jacksonville, Florida.
Labor $160.39 (Rate $78 per hour), Parts $178.14, Shop Supplies $20, Sales Tax $25.10, Total: $383.63.
"Check Engine" light is now off.
Sep 30, 2005 (1:35 pm)
I could rebuild my VW's engine for $250 in parts and machine shop labor in 1973. That was a great feeling of empowerment! No it costs $400 to make a little light go out! And I wouldnt have a clue how to do it!
Do you know what the top end clnr kit is? Do you understand what was wrong and how what they did fixed it?
Oct 02, 2005 (5:26 am)
My son took the Echo to the dealer so I was not involved. To him, the urgency to have it repaired outweighed understanding any explanation of work done. I assumed I would understand the invoice but I was wrong.
Do you know what the top end clnr kit is? No.
Do you understand what was wrong and how what they did fixed it? No.
Oct 02, 2005 (6:07 am)
My daughters 92 Camry borderline failed the emmissions test at inspection time last June. In NJ you HAVE to take the car to a list of people qualified to work on Emissions problems. Which means the Toyota dealer. They charged like $150 to clean the throttle body and clean the injectors. It passed the emissions test, but all the readings again were borderline. Its quite likely you just could have run the test again and this time it passed. So I dont know if that really did anything. My wifes Saturn on the other hand passed for years with less than 1/3 the ammount listed for failure.