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You are in the Toyota Echo
What is this discussion about?
Toyota ECHO, Sedan
#4590 of 5806 Re: K&N Air Filter [tsnook]
Mar 13, 2005 (1:00 pm)
The answer depends on why you bought it. In just about any modern engine, the biggest restriction to airflow isn't the filter, assuming it's not clogged, of course. Paper filters are designed with lots of pleats for an large cross-section for airflow.
Moat of the time when you're driving, the bottleneck is the throttle plate. At full throttle, the biggest restriction ends up being the intake piping itself. On the ECHO, I think it makes at least 2 turns on the way to the engine. So don't be surprised if you don't see any performance or fuel economy improvement; the ECHO is already well-tuned for that.
It can be nice to have a re-usable air filter though, since the paper filters aren't that cheap (not as cheap as I remember them being for other cars!)
As for installing the air filter, look at this posting I made awhile back:
slugline, "Toyota Echo (Sedans Board)" #2817, 11 Feb 2002 1:18 am
Mar 13, 2005 (8:06 pm)
I wouldnt resommend a K&N filter for your ECHO. By their own admission, their filter is 95% efficient, whereas the one Toyota sells is 99% efficient. That can add up to a lot of debris getting into the engine. I doubt very much if you could tell the difference between an ECHO with the stock filter and the one K&N sells in a blind test.
#4593 of 5806 Cost of filter
Mar 13, 2005 (8:10 pm)
I paid $12 for the filter at Toyota I recently installed. A FRAM filter was $10. Not much difference and the Toyata filter lasts 30,000 miles whereas FRAm recommends you change theis every 12k miles.
Mar 13, 2005 (9:35 pm)
If you had more money, what car would you buy...or would you stick to Echo?
#4595 of 5806 Re: what if [bach3]
Mar 14, 2005 (2:36 pm)
I very much like my Echo and I thought long and hard about what to purchase. Although if I would've had a few more bucks, I would say a Corolla. This is only because I feel the Corolla is sturdier than the Echo - I do feel the crosswind quite a bit on the freeway, but I am still impressed by the gas mileage - even in cold MN weather, I got 35 miles/gallon with my last tank. Can't wait until it gets warmer to see what it will really get!
But I'll have to see in a year or 2 how the Echo is doing before making a determination on longevity.
#4596 of 5806 Re: K&N Air Filter [slugline]
Mar 15, 2005 (12:39 am)
Thanks for the link to the directions. I'll make sure to tell of the MPG/Power results - if there are any.
Mar 16, 2005 (9:00 am)
We bought a 2003 2dr toyota echo.
Fell in love with it the first time I saw it.
It has power nothing, but I dont care.(not even power steering!)
The thing is, friends with SUVs and other big cars have been scaring me over and over about echo being small and how I can be in danger on the road!
I will be using the car in New Jersey..
Any NJ echo owners, feel free to write back with your experiences.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
#4598 of 5806 Re: new echo owner [pesterkid]
Mar 16, 2005 (10:58 am)
i bought got a 2001 Echo four years ago and i had put 116K miles on it. The horn was broken 6 months after I bought the car and one got replaced by Toyota under the warranty. The replaced one was broken again and got replaced last year. no other major problems yet. On average, i got 40 mpg.
Mar 16, 2005 (2:07 pm)
If you have an ECHO without Power steering that would be very rare. I looked all over for one of those. Where did you get it?
Those people threatening you about how small your ECHO is are not your friends.