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Toyota ECHO, Sedan
#4587 of 5822 Check Engine Light redux
Mar 12, 2005 (4:16 pm)
I have a 2000 Echo that has been a dream to drive and am very happy with it. I have 76,000 miles on it and about 2 months ago I get the check engine light. I take it to a toyota service center in New York and they check it out and tell me they find nothing wrong. They reset the sensor and I drive 10 mins and it's back on. They check it out again and say could be a bad sensor but they have to back order it. Ok. I was moving to North Carolina and I take it in to get it checked out and they say the same thing except this time it was more like could be a lot of different things> I mention the sensor thing and they say it could be but could be other things too depending on what I want to spend to be checked out. They reset the sensor again as they find nothing wrong. 10 minutes after I leave it goes off again. Error code is P0125. Anyone every heard of this?
#4588 of 5822 cold weather pkg/stiff shift lever
Mar 12, 2005 (6:33 pm)
The window sheet that was on my 2005 Echo listed a cold weather package. Maybe this includes the electric heater.
Does anyone else have an auto transmission shifter that is stiff to move into reverse especially on cold mornings? I'm a big guy with muscles and it's tough to move some mornings-my wife needs two hands to shift it. The dealer says there is nothing to lubricate on the shift mechanism and of couse when they tried it the car was partly warmed up.
#4589 of 5822 K&N Air Filter
Mar 12, 2005 (6:40 pm)
I bought a K&N Air Filter and opened up the hood to switch out the old one but don't know where to start. Do you have to unclip some of the air tubes?
Also, should I even have bought a K&N. I see a lot of reviews supporting it and a few that don't.
#4590 of 5822 Re: K&N Air Filter [tsnook]
Mar 13, 2005 (12:00 pm)
The answer depends on why you bought it. In just about any modern engine, the biggest restriction to airflow isn't the filter, assuming it's not clogged, of course. Paper filters are designed with lots of pleats for an large cross-section for airflow.
Moat of the time when you're driving, the bottleneck is the throttle plate. At full throttle, the biggest restriction ends up being the intake piping itself. On the ECHO, I think it makes at least 2 turns on the way to the engine. So don't be surprised if you don't see any performance or fuel economy improvement; the ECHO is already well-tuned for that.
It can be nice to have a re-usable air filter though, since the paper filters aren't that cheap (not as cheap as I remember them being for other cars!)
As for installing the air filter, look at this posting I made awhile back:
slugline, "Toyota Echo (Sedans Board)" #2817, 11 Feb 2002 1:18 am
Mar 13, 2005 (7:06 pm)
I wouldnt resommend a K&N filter for your ECHO. By their own admission, their filter is 95% efficient, whereas the one Toyota sells is 99% efficient. That can add up to a lot of debris getting into the engine. I doubt very much if you could tell the difference between an ECHO with the stock filter and the one K&N sells in a blind test.
#4593 of 5822 Cost of filter
Mar 13, 2005 (7:10 pm)
I paid $12 for the filter at Toyota I recently installed. A FRAM filter was $10. Not much difference and the Toyata filter lasts 30,000 miles whereas FRAm recommends you change theis every 12k miles.
Mar 13, 2005 (8:35 pm)
If you had more money, what car would you buy...or would you stick to Echo?
#4595 of 5822 Re: what if [bach3]
Mar 14, 2005 (1:36 pm)
I very much like my Echo and I thought long and hard about what to purchase. Although if I would've had a few more bucks, I would say a Corolla. This is only because I feel the Corolla is sturdier than the Echo - I do feel the crosswind quite a bit on the freeway, but I am still impressed by the gas mileage - even in cold MN weather, I got 35 miles/gallon with my last tank. Can't wait until it gets warmer to see what it will really get!
But I'll have to see in a year or 2 how the Echo is doing before making a determination on longevity.
#4596 of 5822 Re: K&N Air Filter [slugline]
Mar 14, 2005 (11:39 pm)
Thanks for the link to the directions. I'll make sure to tell of the MPG/Power results - if there are any.