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Toyota ECHO, Sedan
#4186 of 5822 Importing from Canada.
Jan 21, 2004 (5:26 pm)
I have done a bit of research on this. See my postings here dated Dec 10 and 11, 2003. I am told by the import agents that, for the Toyota Echo, there would be no problem getting the car registered. It takes about 10 days, and the agents will help with this. They charge about 300.00 US. There is a modest import duty for a Canadian Toyota Echo, because it is built in Japan. When you add it up you can still get an Echo hatchback for about what you pay for a sedan here in the US. The real reason for doing it is to get the hatchback, not to save money.
Toyota US apparently will honor the warranty on Canadian Toyotas; at least that is what they told be when I called the corporate headquarters in California several weeks ago.
The hatchback looks better, and is, in my opinion, a better design for such a small car. It is a shame that Toyota USA does not offer it. I think they are hoping that US consumers can be persuaded to by the Scion instead...
#4187 of 5822 Importing... more
Jan 22, 2004 (6:07 am)
I have looked at the Scion and I can't understand why the mileage numbers are so low compared to the Echo hatchback. Also, Scion does not offer cruise control or a sunroon.
I'm going to contact my insurance company to see how they can figure the premium and if they give me a rate comparable to an Echo.
It says on Toyota's website that the US warranty is valid in all of North America... I'd imagine that should hold true for Canadian and Mexican.
Are you still considering this option?
Jan 15, 2002 (8:42 am)
The ECHO gets better mileage because it wieghs much less than Scion.
#4189 of 5822 See below.....
Jan 22, 2004 (4:09 pm)
Can somebody with a 2003 echo that has a tach get the rpm's at 60-65-70 mph?
#4190 of 5822 Scion Xa vs. Echo mileage
Jan 22, 2004 (5:04 pm)
I read in a review of the Scions that their transmissions have a lower gear ratio than the Echo to help with performance, due to their heavier weight. That and greater wind resistance (particularly with the boxy Xb) explains the fuel mileage difference.
#4191 of 5822 Hi mileage vehicles
Jan 27, 2004 (8:48 pm)
My sister had a 1984 Honda Civic, which she got new for slightly over $5000. It was a 4 speed with a 1300cc engine. And it definitely got better gas mileage than my Echo. I drove it quite a lot, it got a bit above 45mpg, while my Echo has been holding steady at 42mpg.
My 2000 Echo has 95K miles on it now. Like new.
Regarding the tach or absence, from prior Road test magazine specs I can pass along that for 1000 rpms in the 5 gears you get almost exactly 5, 10, 15, 20, 25mph. All the actual numbers are within a half mph. Hope this helps.
#4192 of 5822 Driving ECHO in Snow
Jan 28, 2004 (7:27 am)
We're getting lots of snow here in NJ and Im getting lots of oppertunities to drive in it. Last night after 4 inches of snow I drove home in roads that were not plowed. Its amazing to me how the car is very similiar to my old VW beetle in snow. It most sincerely wants to swap ends at every chance it gets. We have few hills here, but it does not seem to get very good traction. Id hate to have to drive it on real hills back in New York. I have the Potenza tires and I wonder if getting a better tire would help.
Jan 28, 2004 (8:43 am)
Well, I have been driving in snow the last few days and I am surprised by how good the car handles. I have a set of dedicated snow tires and it makes a world of difference. I got the cheapest snow tires available from Walmart and this is the third season I use them. If the right tires save your hide just once they are definitively worth the investment.
Yesterday evening the driving through freezing rain was horrible for most everybody in my neighbourhood except me. Of course common sense dictates slowing down and adapting your driving to the weather conditions.
#4194 of 5822 Traction in snow
Jan 29, 2004 (4:00 am)
I am wondering if the Canadian Echo hatchback does better or worse than the sedan model in the snow...
I think that the main factor in traction (for 2 wheel drive cars) is the percent of weight distribution on the driving wheels. Like Kneisl1, I too noticed phenomenal performance in my 1967 VW bug in slippery conditions. And my 1987 Sprint is maybe even better. (And that is without benefit of snow tires)
I have not been able to find data on weight distribution for the Echo, or for any new cars, for that matter. I asked the Toyota dealer, but I think I just got a b.s. answer. Does anybody know a source for this information?
#4195 of 5822 Snow Tires Do Make a Difference
Jan 29, 2004 (3:49 pm)
I have a set of Nokian Tires from Finland on my 2001 Echo..they work great!!! The orginal Potenza tires are rated only average in snow...see the Tire Rack for ratings. I still don't know why dealers sell dry climate tires for all regions...
It would be nice to have a pick of the tire as an option for all cars...so you could get the tire you want for the driving you do.