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Toyota ECHO, Sedan
Jun 10, 2003 (7:39 am)
The 2003 freshening makes the Echo look much nicer and more upscale. We have a '02 Corolla and looked seriously at the Echo since it was nearly the same size in terms of interior space and trunk. However, my wife did not like the appearance as much as the old Tercel. The new car however looks great and I saw the hatch version at the Toronto auto show - I really liked it.
We wanted a Tercel when we bought her first car in 1994 but it was too expensive and ended up with a Hyundai Excel. The Hyundai served us well but we still wanted a Toyota and decided it would be an Echo or Corolla. Corolla won due to its appearance and the fact that in Canada the Corolla is so aggressively priced - with auto, air, and the CE plus package its about the same price as a comparable Echo.
Any Echo owners out there with really high mileage on your cars?
#3921 of 5822 15" rims
Jun 10, 2003 (10:11 am)
There is a huge difference in 15" rims but only if the width is upgraded as well. While I don't have my ECHO anymore, I drove 20k+ miles on 205/15's and never had a problem with wind. My mileage did suffer a couple of mpg's on the highway, however, due to the increased drag.
Jun 10, 2003 (8:09 pm)
What happend to the Echo and why did you part with it if we may ask?
Jun 11, 2003 (10:58 am)
I may be moving to NYC area later this year and I plan on moving my stuff in the car. I loved my ECHO but wanted something with bigger carrying capacity for my move. The car I have now is an Elantra GT hatch and it has a lot of cargo space and equipment for the price. It also has heated side mirrors and more weight for snow conditions.
My ECHO was not equipped with cold weather package and the rear defroster had a hard time dealing with fogging-tood very long to clear it.
The rear seat of the GT is actually less comfortable than that of the ECHO as the seat cushions are lower in the GT.
MPG in town is much worse with the GT (23mpg vs. 32mpg) but highway mileage is not too different (33mpg vs. 35mpg). Keep in mind my ECHO had high performance/low profile tires; not good for mpg.
If I were not looking at a possible move, I would've held onto my ECHO. If the Scion Xa were roomier behind the back seat, it would've been considered.
The GT stickered almost the same as my ECHO so monthly payments are about the same.
Jun 11, 2003 (5:47 pm)
Seen in a used-car lot a lonely white Echo amongst other makes/models. It was the first car in a line of cars. Whenever I passed the area my heart would break. One weekend there was a huge sale at the car lot, with balloons and streamers. A single white balloon was tied to this white Echo. The next week it was observed that the Echo was no longer on the lot. In my heart I know that someone gave her a good home.
Jun 12, 2003 (3:46 am)
Kaz6 I was thinking that if you could have gotten past the moving issues that the ECHO would have made a terrific city car. Nimble in traffic and easy to find a place to park. On the other hand it would take a toll on the nerves driving a small car in city traffic! Good luck with the Elantra!
The white ECHO found a home pretty quick. I see many of them for sale for quite a long time in the paper and also at the Toyota dealer. In fact my dealer has new 2002 ECHOs for sale, if you can believe the ads in the paper.
Jun 12, 2003 (3:49 am)
Cut on sidewall on original tire could not repaired (so said the mechanic and I believe him). Echo (2001) has 20,000 miles on it and had planned to replace the tires at end of summer anyway. Ended up buying two new tires for front. Plan to replace the other two at end of summer.
True or false: Sidewall cuts/holes on tires can not be repaired.
True or false: Better to replace both tires on same axle than just one, and tires should be same brand/type/size.
True or false: When buying just two new tires, better to put both on front than the back.
I have been told by mechanic that all the above statements are true. Any other truths I should know?
#3927 of 5822 truth or dare
Jun 12, 2003 (4:31 am)
The mechanic is quite right about sidewall cuts. The sidewall flexes and dammage there can lead to a blowout.
As far as the rest I used to have beater cars which means all the rules go out the window. As long as it runs everythings fair. I often used different brands and even sizes. (On my motorcycle I have used radial tires on the front and bias ply on the rear. No problem.) Tires with differing ammounts of wear were used on the same axle. The result? No problem at all. But then I drove very conservatively and slowly and not in citytraffic. In winter or bad weather or in high speed city traffic, yes I would follow that advice the mechanic gave you. Or if an inexperienced driver is involved.
On the plus side it is ok to plug a tire with a hole in the tread. I even do it on the mc. Oh and one thing he didnt tell you about tires. Check you air pressure religiously! That is the main reason suvs are rolling over.
#3928 of 5822 kneisl1
Jun 12, 2003 (6:23 am)
It's not just the moving that made me switch. I also will have to set up house again which includes buying bulky items like tv's, etc. The ECHO's trunk is huge but the opening makes it hard to get items into it-the exception being my Mom's 19" lawn mower!
As for size, I used to navigate Manhattan traffic(lived in Staten Island for 9 years)on a variety of motorcycles nearly all year.
The car will be mainly for days off and such so mpg is not an issue.
I do miss my ECHO just the same!
#3929 of 5822 High Mileage and other matters
Jun 12, 2003 (9:36 am)
I guess my Echo qualifies as to having "high mileage." I bought it new back in December of 2000 and I already have 65k miles on it. No rattles, doesn't burn oil between oil changes, and I am still loving it.
Tires are still good, but having so many miles on them make me a little antsy. If you were me, would you go ahead and change them. I am looking at Dunlop SP Sport A2 which Consumer Reports gave a good write up on. I just wish I knew how my current tires (Goodyear) compared in wet braking, dry braking, etc. If it rated as high in each category, I would go with them again.
In its current issue, Motor Trend has an article about the Scion cars. Paraphrasing, MT says it will take away any justification for buying an Echo. I got some justification for you. How about the fact that the Echo is available as a coupe or sedan while the Scions aren't? How about the better fuel economy of the Echo? How about the better straight line acceleration? According to Motor Trend itself, the Echo (with manual) does 0 to 60 in 8.4 seconds while the Xa (with manual) takes a second longer. They expect the Xb will put up numbers similar to the Xa. Is that enough justification for you, MT?
Well, I want to check out a few more of the message boards before I have to get ready for work.