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Toyota ECHO, Sedan
May 18, 2003 (7:20 am)
Have had my Echo since 2/2000. No mechanical problems whatsoever. Yes, its being built in Japan was a factor. Was told by an auto detailer and mechanic friend (years ago) that the primary reason Japanese built and assembled cars tended to have a better finish was that EPA restrictions here in the states precluded use of the same paint formulas as are used in Japan. If true, the bad news about that would be getting a good match if body work was ever needed. Also, that in Japan, Toyota's mechanical subcontractors tend to have long-term relationships with Toyota whereas here, subcontractors (and parts) vary. BTW, you might want to check with Lakeland Toyota. I live in Brandon, and found Lakeland much more willing to deal than any dealer in Brandon or Tampa. I paid 2% over Edmund's invoice price after some hand-wringing by the sales folks. Good luck.
May 21, 2003 (5:11 am)
I was looking at the axle boot when I had the ECHO up on ramps for its recent oil change. I noticed the boots on the outer part of the axle (near the wheels) were of a harder material than the inner ones. This is good because these wear out faster than the inners. On my 1980 Subaru these were soft rubber like the inners and I had to change them about every 60k miles. I did it twice and its a tough job. So Im expecting they will last a lot longer. My wifes Saturn is ten years old with 106k miles and has similiar hard outer boots, and they look origional. I still recommend you look at these boots at least once a year...better still is every oil change. If they burst and you drive for a few thousand miles before you catch it, youll need new axles $$$. Before going altogether they develope cracks down in the valleys of the boots which can be seen and felt.
#3900 of 5820 NY Times Again Errs
May 21, 2003 (7:47 am)
The NY Times, in an article comparing the IOn with the ECHO, is quoting Toyota that the center mounted instrument cluster was selected for ECHO because it makes production of right and left hand drive cars easier. They really have a problem printing the truth at the Times, it seems.
May 21, 2003 (11:31 am)
I am not sure why Toyota chose to do the center cluster and not sure it really matters. It makes it really easy for my roommate and I (who are two very different body types) to find a comfortable driving position without worrying about trying to see the instruments through the steering wheel spokes.
May 21, 2003 (11:06 pm)
I was wondering, wouldn't it be great to have someone design an Echo t-shirt so we Echo lovers could wear them proudly. I'd like to see a design similar to the Polo shirt, just a small Echo on the upper left breast of the shirt, simple and clean. I'd do it if I were creative, but I'm not.
May 22, 2003 (7:17 pm)
Im wondering if Toyota sells them. A baseball hat with vented sides would be nice too.
#3904 of 5820 boots and such
May 26, 2003 (11:41 pm)
Kneisl, its very welcome that you talk about front axle boots. My sisters 91 Mazda 323 is getting the front axle replaced because the boot leaked for too long. I checked mine and they look good as new. And I am feeling sorry that I didnt keep a closer eye on my sister's car, since I am always doing the oil and filter changes for her. On another topic I was talking with friends about the Prius and such, and got to wondering how much gas a car (an Echo perhaps) burns when it is sitting at idle? If we get 40 miles a gallon while traveling 60 mph then we are burning a gallon every 40 minutes. With that as a benchmark I would think we might get 3 hours on a gallon at idle. I really have no idea. Anybody ever seen anything written about this? I suppose you could idle your car that long and the fan would run and it would not overheat. But I am not of a mind to try it.
#3905 of 5820 axle boots and such
May 27, 2003 (4:43 am)
Consumers are not liking the expences incured in repairing the axles of front wheel drive cars and I think thats led the manufacturers to improve them. So your boots "should" last a long time. The same is true for belts that drive camshafts. They are expensive to replace every 90k or so miles and if they break its really expensive to deal with.
Three hours to a gallon of gas at idle sounds about right to me for a car like ECHO, but it might be even better than that. Perhaps on a not too hot day you could fill up your gas tank, let the car idle for an hour and go back and fill it up again to see how much gas was used. The car wont overheat under those conditions.
#3906 of 5820 Rattles...
Jun 01, 2003 (9:05 pm)
My friend's Echo is an 00 4-door with no options but auto and AC, the car has 54K miles on it. I rode in it the other night for the first time in awhile, and it rode pretty well. The only thing was, we hit a couple large bumps and the entire dash rattled! It was kinda scary to me. The back package shelf also rattled some, but that's to be expected.
Anyone else have a rattling dash like this?
Jun 02, 2003 (4:55 am)
Are you sure it wasnt something in the dash cubby holes that was ratteling? Once in a while a cassette squeeks in mine but thats all it is.