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Toyota ECHO, Sedan
#3857 of 5822 Click and Clack deserves some flak
Apr 13, 2003 (11:58 pm)
I sure think Toyotas are as solid as their reputation. I've owned a Corolla wagon and a Camry sedan and 2 pickups and now my 2000 Echo. Shocks will wear out, but certainly not to the tune of $1600 to replace them, even on an Avalon. And I have no experience of other suspension parts wearing out on my vehicles.
A week or so ago we got some comment from an Echo owner about his engine being subpar after only 20 some thousand miles of spirited driving. Which meant downshifting for braking, and also revving to 5000 rpms regularly. I downshift my Echo for braking all the time, as well as my other Toyotas of the past, all standard transmission vehicles. With no ill effects. I rev my Echo less frequently now than when it was younger, but still hit 5000 frequently in passing situations, using 3rd gear if there is any need to rush. I am at 74K miles on my Echo now. Runs great.
#3858 of 5822 Trust the size with a baby seat?
Apr 14, 2003 (4:32 am)
My wife and I are starting to talk new cars. we are also starting to plan for a family. Since we are purchasing (not leasing) our next car, I am wondering how safe the Echo would be with a baby seat strapped in. I realize the echo is one of the smaller cars out there and I am not overly convinced that I will feel safe carrying precious cargo!
Any thoughts of comments?
#3859 of 5822 !$1600 shocks
Apr 14, 2003 (4:33 am)
That sounds a little steep for shocks, but I REALLY DONT KNOW WHAT THEY GO FOR. (SORRY ABOUT THE CAPATIALS MY KEYBOARD IS SCREWED UP)
IF YOU REPLACE YOUR STRUTS/SHOCKS OR MUFFLER SYSTEM AT A TOYOTA DEALER THESE PARTS ARE COVERED WITH A LIFETIME WARRANTY INCLUDING LABOR ACCRODING TO MY OWNERS MANUAL. DO NOT GO TO MIDAS TO GET MUFFLER WORK DONE. SUPREAM RIPOFF. YOU NEVER SEE ANY CARS IN THE PARKING LOT AT MIDAS,
#3860 of 5822 wrgraham
Apr 14, 2003 (9:54 am)
Have you had to replace/upgrade your rear shocks yet?
#3861 of 5822 Owner's experience with tires, pads and shocks
Apr 14, 2003 (2:08 pm)
My 2001 Echo has about 31,000 on the original Bridgestone Potenzas and I still have some mileage left before the wear bars show. I'm considering replacing the Potenzas with Michelin
X-One or Michelin Harmony. Any comments about these tires?
How many miles have other owners driven their original Potenzas?
I had my brakes inspected at 30000 and I still had 70% left on the front pads and 80% on the rear drums. Is this unusual?
When do shocks need to be replaced? Any comments will be appreciated.
#3862 of 5822 how long did they last
Apr 14, 2003 (4:41 pm)
31k miles out of the Potenzas is pretty good according to Toyota who say this tires lasts 25-30k miles (my dealer) The ammount of material remaining on your brakes indicates you are a careful driver, but is not unusual. Shocks are good until they leak oil or the car bounces more than twice when you step on the bumper depressing the shocks and then releasing it. since the shocks deteriorate gradualy you may not notice their decline. A knocking noise when hitting a bump usually means the bshings are bad, not the shocks themselves.
Apr 14, 2003 (6:11 pm)
I suggest Michelin MX4 tires. Mine have almost 60k miles and 8/32 left. When new they had 9/32 (inches). At 38k my brakes had 85% left in the front and more than 90% in the back.
So you see, your experience is not unusual at all.
Unless your car is fully loaded all the time shocks can easily go to the 100k mark.
#3864 of 5822 shocks and such
Apr 15, 2003 (10:12 am)
Kaz, I have not upgraded my rear shocks. I guess I have not had any reason to be concerned, but this is a good reminder to go check them carefully. Will do.
...As far as tires, I went to 41,000 on my original Potenzas, but never was very happy with the tires. However I bought replacement Potenzas thereafter which are excellent, and still on my Echo. Wet weather traction is great. Same name, but different category of tire, and much superior to the originals. These are type RE930i, and and Size 185/60 R14.
....Dealer said my brakes were 70%, 75%, front and rear (at 60k miles).
Apr 16, 2003 (10:32 am)
I guess I should have hand the article in had before I posted my message. What went out on that lady's Avalon were the strut plates and Click and Clack stated that plates sit on top of the struts and attach to the body of the car.
In their response about repair rates, Click and Clack used the word Toyotas and not the word Avalons. This led me to wonder if all Toyotas are made like this and if we will face a similarly large repair bill.
I am thinking about what tires to put on the Echo. Do I put on a new set of Goodyears or go with a different tire? Based on a write up in Consumer Reports, I am thinking about going to Dunlop SP Sport A2s. They rate them slightly better than the Michelin Energy MXV4 and they are $50 a tire cheaper ($70 versus $120). The Dunlop rated excellent in both dry and wet braking; very good in handling, hydroplaning, and ice braking; while rated good in snow traction.
The Dunlop has only good rolling resistance while the Michelin has excellent rolling resistance as do the tires presently on my Echo. What will be the effect of not having as good of rolling resistance? Will only my fuel economy suffer? And if so, by how much?
Apr 16, 2003 (12:58 pm)
I would personally pick anything Michelin due to my experience with them. Goodyears always wore out too quickly on me, their tires seem to be crap.