The NY Times is reporting that the new toyota (I forget its name) is announced recently and will be out in 2004. It reportedly has a 108 hp engine....hmmmm where have we seen that before. No pictures though. There are marketing this like the ECHO toward young buyers. They werent worried about the 108 hp engine because they say youngsters can spend another $2-3k to hop it up if they want to. Its amazing how an outfit like Toyota can target its sales and be so completely WRONG. (ie ECHO was meant for the 20 set and most buyers are at least 40 and many retired) I wish they would pay me $$$,$$$ a year to make those calls because I can screw it up as good as anybody...maybe even better!
So power mirrors is now an option on the 2003? Another reason for my roommate to buy one. The lack of power mirrors is the one thing my roommate doesn't like about my 2001 Echo. BTW, she calls it a jelly bean, but she means it in a good way.
I went to the scion site vadp so helpfully provided. But to me the scanty pictures shot at obilque angles looks like nothing so much as an ECHO! If Toyota does replace ECHO with Scion wont this just be the old switcheroo? I will trade the ECHO in a Dixie minute for a Scion with a 1.5 (or less) diesel engine!
My Echo is a 2001 with 15,000 miles. Took it to the dealer for three reasons.
1. The "rear brake tube freezing" problem did not include my Echo since the newer parts that solve the problem were already included during manufacturing. No charge.
2. The door lock pulls were rattling. New ones seem thicker and, so far, no more rattling. No charge.
3. "Check Engine" light came on. I thought it was because of the gas cap not being tight enough but the reason was because of carbon buildup (code 51). Mechanic cleaned top on engine and cleared the codes. Service provider said it was not under warranty so charged $60 labor plus $20 for the cleaner plus tax. Service provider was very nice but told me to use octane 87 and not 89 or 90. Owner's manual reads "select octane rating 87 or higher." I plan to call Toyota customer service about it.
I looked in the $150 service manual I bought and theres no mention of code 51. They list codes in numerical order, but many of them are not in the book. Im assuming that the dealer added a can of injector cleaner? Because the valves were carboned up? Hmmm. Unlikely that higher octane gas caused this problem, if indeed that is the problem. Also unlikely IMHO that "cleaner" is going to fix anything. How is the car used? Mostly short trips?
Most any engine will experience carbon build-up if you run 89+ octane gas in it when it only requires 87. Besides wasting money, that's another reason not to spend for the good stuff if your car doesn't need it.