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Toyota ECHO, Sedan
#3310 of 5822 mpg on Corolla -
Jul 17, 2002 (12:20 pm)
I know this is about the Echo but may I chime in hear regarding gas mileage - my '01 Corolla (4 speed auto) has gotten as good as 34 MPG and as low as 28.5 MPG (city driving) - I have seen quite a few Echos where I live and I must admit at first I thought they looked a little strange - but now I guess the Echo has grown on me because I think they look very cute! Only regret is that I did not test drive one while car shopping last year - one Toyota salesman did tell me that Toyota will stop making the Echo after 2003 model.
#3311 of 5822 Further Comments on Tire Upgrade
Jul 17, 2002 (1:42 pm)
The stock tires on the Echo seem better than average in terms of grip and handling - or maybe the suspension on the Echo is better than we think (given that the car seems to be designed as a Japanese urban commuter). I upgraded them, however, to 195x60/14 about 2000 miles ago to get better cross wind performance. (Bridgestone 950's, excellent, easier to balance than Dunlop Sport A2's.)
The new tires stick like glue and greatly improve crosswind handling, but it remains susceptible in the windstorms we were having for a while out here. The car still isn't as stable as my Golf when cruising over a tall bridge over the bay, but it's pretty darn good, certainly good enough, and setting aside crosswind stability, in some ways handles better - certainly the ride is better.
I think the main limitations on handling in the Echo are the narrow track, short wheelbase, and high center of gravity. I believe Toyota compensates for this by essentially upgrading the suspension to "sports" level - it is firm, compliant and quite well dialed in. So the car has a peculiar personality - it takes corners and curves well, but due to its short wheel base bobbles a little on uneven surfaces, due to its narrow wheel base and height it feels a little tippy, and due to its light weight is a little susceptible to crosswinds. If I were a real street racer, urban rallye-ist, I would worry more about tipping the car in a hard curve than sliding out.
That being said, 80 mph cruising is a piece of cake (and surprises the heck out of other drivers in more expensive cars when you pass them), though you'll want both hands on the wheel if there are winds or when you pass semis (the car tracks true, but it just feels more secure when you get wind inputs to the steering). The car takes corners so fast you have to keep in mind this is the SUV of small cars and may feel tippy - it ain't a two foot high Mini. It feels more likely to tip, than slide, is what I am saying.
Braking is excellent, more so with the grippy tires. I feel the braking and tires make up for the lack of ABS. I would rather have predictable, progressive braking with good tires that can make short stops, than a long-stopping car that can't skid (ABS).
If I had anything to do over again, I would have gotten the 5 speed (forget the non-stick shifting girl friend and lack of resale value), put a Magnaflow exhaust on it and K&N air filter, slightly lower it with the Toyota Motor Sports shock/spring kit (a grand!), and have the cheapest fun with a canyon carving sleeper.
As a humdrum commuter, I am very happy with the incredibly spacious feel of the cabin, far superior to the Golf/Neon/Cavalier type of car, and I like the good visibility. It is a very comfortable car to drive, very quiet on the freeway, only noisy on hard acceleration.
The mileage is awesome - my gas bill has dropped from $200 per month to $150, and I was driving mostly a Golf stickshift before. I am not afraid to take long trips because of the gas bill! And the trunk is plenty large to hold junk.
I agree that the 4 door is more convenient - alas, I have a 2 door, and have to deal with the constricted access to the back seat to store stuff when I have a passenger and don't want to use the trunk. I think the lines on the 4 door (style) are excellent, too, as good as the 2 door if not better.
I would buy another. I am not sure I would buy a Corolla next time around - it seems so humdrum, even though it and the Camry have adopted the Echo's "high" look.
Maybe if I am crazy I will pick up a late 2003 4 speed, one of the $8,995" specials without aircon, and play with it - I would love to break 40 mpg, although I would be a little smog.
So far - two Ford Focus ZX3's with much problems, one Golf with 34,000 miles and no problems, and one Echo with ultra tight quality control - yeah Japan, Inc.!
BTW, the air conditioner freezes my butt off. It is much stronger than the Golf's or than either of my ZX3's - and they were all ok.
I wish the car had auto off on the rear window defroster, and non-collapsing outside rear view mirrors so I don't have to readjust them when I go through a carwash. A black (non-staining) interior would be nice, although some grime from an oil change person came off easily with fabric cleaner.
Here's to more Echo fun!
#3312 of 5822 To: Petmyc
Jul 17, 2002 (7:24 pm)
I agree. That's what I said. No way am I going to purchase a Focus or Hyundai. They are both junk!
It's either an 03 ECHO or a Corolla.
#3313 of 5822 30K service
Jul 17, 2002 (10:44 pm)
I brought my ECHO in for its 30k service today. It was $190 (w/coupon). I had them look at the a/c and the tech said that it wasn't cooling properly due to a damper with a loose cable. It was allowing hot air in. I also had them check for the whistling noise from the engine but they couldn't find anything wrong. When I mentioned how the c/d player was starting to act up, the service rep just said he'd give me a new one under warranty. I guess it's not an unusual complaint.
The a/c now works very well! It gets ice cold in recirculate mode-more so than before. My brakes, btw, are at 70%. Pretty good for 30k!
I am also very happy with my tires and they have proved to be very compliant for low profile tires(Yokohama YK420's).
Love my ECHO!
Jul 20, 2002 (7:58 am)
micweb: My rear defroster does auto shut-off after about 15 minutes.
kaz6: My A/C had the same problem with the damper...I adjusted it myself though and I actually considered posting it here last week during the discussion.
I like to lurk more than post anymore so have fun!
#3315 of 5822 Re: petrnyc's rumors.
Jul 20, 2002 (5:44 pm)
"In fact I heard the government was demanding of Ford to completely re engineer the car or scrap it all together."
All right petrnyc, keep it up. Very entertaining, I must admit.
BTW, you mentioned 1977 Lada in your signature.
May I ask which model?
Jul 20, 2002 (6:20 pm)
Hi everyone! I'm back from my vacation in Aruba...and I bring back some wonderful news. Aruba is a heaven to ECHO lovers. Not only is the 4 door ECHO sold in Aruba but it is also sold with the European versions, all under the name Yaris. The Yaris in Aruba outsells the Ford Focus 20 to 1 easily. Most are probably just rental cars, but nonetheless a wonderful thing. I managed to get a shot of a small parking area with 4 Yariseseseses in it. I hope to make a link to it sometime. We rented a white 4 door ECHO version and it did great out on the dirt and rock roads of the Aruban desert. Although, I must say I'm a bit diappointed in the interior quality. The hard plastic of the doors was probably worst of all. However, there was MUCH room...much more legroom in the backseat than my 1996 Corolla.
Jul 20, 2002 (9:12 pm)
Maybe I made a mistake, but I took my 2000 ECHO 5 sp 2 door to Firestone Service and had the 30,000 service for $77.00. As long as I have receipts and regular service the warranty is good. My local Toyota dealer wanted to service my car under severe service conditions. Hah, I drive freeways at 50-70 mph 60 miles a day.
#3318 of 5822 2 questions about ECHO
Jul 21, 2002 (5:25 am)
1) On another forum several owners mentioned problems with paint quality. Is the ECHO paint a problems?
2) What's the interior noise like inside the cabin on rough roads?
Jul 21, 2002 (12:43 pm)
What did the Toyota dealer want for the 30k service? Basically you just change the oil, trans oil if manual, the air filter, and the spark plugs. If they did that you got a good deal. I think Toyota wants like $300 to do that.
The silver paint on my ECHO is marvelous, just marvelous. But the chart on Consumer Reports says body intergity only above average instead of much above average as all the other catagories for echo were.
The ECHO is a very quiet car on the highway. So it should be quiet relatively speaking on rough roads.