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Toyota ECHO, Sedan
#2740 of 5822 echogirl3
Jan 21, 2002 (8:23 pm)
It is difficult to comment on the long term reliability of an Echo, since they have only been around for a little more than two years. As far as Toyota vehicles in general: I used to own a 1994 Tercel; the car had 75,000 miles on it when I sold it, and the only things that I ever replaced were the front brakes, front tires, battery, and exhaust system (the exhaust system lasted almost six years). I now own a 1996 Corolla that has 85,000 miles on it, and it still runs like a new car. Again, the only things that needed to be replaced were the tires, brakes, and battery. My 2001 Echo only has 2,700 miles on it, but so far it has run perfectly. Supposedly crash tests have proven the Echo to be as safe as the much larger and heavier Camry.
#2741 of 5822 Tests have not proven the ECHO as crashworthy as Camry.
Jan 22, 2002 (6:43 pm)
I believe that statement was made by a Toyota spokesperson based on internal company testing, and I have yet to see those results released. The IIHS has not tested ECHO yet, but the NHTSA has. In the government frontal test, the ECHO earned four stars on both the driver and passenger sides, while the last Camry tested scored four stars on the driver side and five stars on the passenger side.
However, the NHTSA itself will caution consumers that you can only compare vehicles in the same weight class. This is because the frontal test into a fixed barrier simulates a collision with a another car of similar weight. I would wager that there are a lot more Camry-sized vehicles out on the streets than ECHO-sized ones. This, of course, is a problem facing all subcompact cars. If the ECHO had posted five-star scores all-around, I would be more inclined to believe the like-Camry claim.
An interesting note: Because of the way the side-impact test is conducted, the side-impact results ARE comparable across all vehicle classes. You may be pleasantly surprised to know that the dummy in the back seat of the ECHO fared better (4 stars) than the dummy in the back seat of the Camry (3 stars).
#2742 of 5822 Engine whistle
Jan 23, 2002 (12:22 am)
Took my car in for the child restraint safety upgrade and had them check out the whistling noise coming from the engine. When I picked up my car, the service rep said that it is 'normal' for the Echo's engine to make that noise.
I don't really buy that but it isn't a major enough annoyance.
Jan 23, 2002 (6:14 am)
The whistle you are hearing is probably the alternator. Toyotas tend to have fairly loud alternators, although it is more noticeable in other models. The Sienna and Camry are the worst. If your service department thinks it is normal, they may be correct.
Jan 23, 2002 (7:21 am)
Well, my Echo has now reached 57,000 miles!
At about 40,000 The manual transmission started grinding intermittently going into fifth gear. I took it in to the dealer but (of course) I couldn't duplicate the problem in their presence. By the time I reached about 53,000 my Echo was grinding fifth just about every time so I made another trip to the dealer.
I have a good automotive background and had ruled out cable misadjustment, slave cylinder leakage, pretty much anything outside the tranny. I put my best possible guess as the synchronizers.
The dealer checked it out and decided they were going to order the fifth gear synchronizers and associated parts (without any input from me). But they also warned me that those type of parts would be hard to get and probably be backordered.
The parts were backordered for a month, until last week. When the parts finally came in, I dropped the car off for them to work on it. The parts they needed to replace did not require removal of the trans from the car so they said it would take one day.
I got a call that afternoon from the dealer telling me the fifth gear assembly was frozen to the hub and they had to damage it to seperate the two. They didn't have a hub available to replace it however. They then surprised me by paying for a rental car for the remaining duration of the repair (a severely abused `01 Escort from Enterprise).
It only took them three days to get the last part and the car shifted smoother than new after I picked it up!
Kudos go to Nourse Toyota in Central Ohio for their excellent customer service!
Jan 23, 2002 (8:47 am)
What? A Toyota dealership actually admitted that they did something wrong and did not try to blame you for improper maintenance.
Don't tell those on the engine sludge board. You might just give Toyota a good reputation. ; )
#2746 of 5822 engine noise....
Jan 23, 2002 (3:09 pm)
the sound from my echo is now getting worse, not only is it making it while the car is moving but now its also annoying me at a stand still...and turning up the radio doesnt seem to help anymore. I just took it in to have its recalls 2-3 weeks ago and told them about the noise, typically it didnt make the noise for them, is this what we all have to look forward too???
#2747 of 5822 Insurance Inst. Loss Data
Jan 23, 2002 (6:38 pm)
There are now some insurance loss statistics available for the Echo.
While the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety has not crash-tested an Echo, they do compile statistics that summarize injury, collision and theft losses for various cars. (That is, they examine the actual data on the claims insurance companies pay.) And they now have this information for the Echo.
To find it, go to www.highwaysafety.org and scroll down to the story that has the 1999-2000 results and click on "results". Select "four door cars" on the pulldown menu and you will find a table of results grouped by car size; the Echo is near the end, being a "mini" car.
The web site has a complete explanation of what all of the numbers mean. Higher numbers are worse, with 100 being "average".
In summary, the Echo's injury losses are "substantialy worse than average", at 178, and its collision losses are "worse than average" at 124. There is no theft loss number given, probably for lack of data.
Other people on this board have compared the Echo and Camry recently; the Camry's numbers are 102 and 87, respectively, i.e., "average".
The site doesn't give any data for the two-door Echo, but I can't imagine it would be a whole lot different.
I hope the Insurance Institute crash tests an Echo soon; I'd like to see the results.
#2748 of 5822 Now there's an ECHO advantage most people don't think about.
Jan 23, 2002 (9:35 pm)
The chance of your car being targeted for theft is small. The vehicle isn't really worth that much intact, and there's probably almost no underground market for ECHO parts in the U.S. Any money-minded crook would certainly move on to your neighbor's Camry. I assume this small car has been selling better overseas, and for a longer period of time, too -- I bet the theft rates are higher.
#2749 of 5822 Re: noise
Jan 24, 2002 (1:22 am)
Re: transmission woes...I really think the synchro is the weakest part of the tranny. Glad to hear it was easily fixed!