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Toyota ECHO, Sedan
Aug 19, 2001 (4:58 pm)
I was very interested in the 2002 Camry up until this evening. I was pulling my mom's Avalon out of the side yard and into the garage. I found that maneuvering such a large vehicle is very hard, at least for me since I'm only 15 and have no experience in driving cars. The new Camry is only about 2 inches shorter than the Avalon so I assume it will be just the same story.
This leads me to ask which would be better....a 2002 4 door ECHO or Corolla S. Both would be automatic and would be fully loaded bringing the ECHO to about $15300 and the Corolla to $17,000. I would special order these from the factory. Those prices are low because I get incentives from my parents working at Toyota. I want a safe, fuel efficient, and cheap to insure car that is fun to drive. I don't like the Corolla due to its boring interior and 2003 redesign. The ECHO has a 2003 refreshing (or should be in the average Toyota car cycle.) I can't decide whether $2000 is worth paying extra for a car that has cruise and a sunroof (Corolla.) But I'd be trading the fun and neat interior of the ECHO. Oh, I also like sitting up high and seeing all around me also. All opinions are welcomed!
Oh, and a used Prius is possible. We can get used company cars with about 20k miles for 25% off the regular price. Those include Avalons, Camrys, Corollas, Priuses, RAV4s, Siennas, Sequoias, Solaras and Tundras. What is your take on a possible used Prius? I know it will hold up very well, its a Toyota....but I'm worried about wrecking it...and that whole electrical system becoming a problem in the untimely case of a serious wreck.
Sorry one more point....about how much is it to have a cruise control installe don the ECHO? What type of post production sunroofs are available (as in function).
#2147 of 5822 Echo as a work car
Aug 19, 2001 (8:29 pm)
Hello Echo owners out there! I am a photojournalist who puts about 1,200 miles a month on a vehicle at work. I presently drive a 2000 Ford Windstar that gets about 17 mpg around town where I do most of my driving. I have driven SUVs since the days they were called station wagons and vans most of my life and have had a handful of sports cars as extra vehicles. I am thinking seriously about buying an Echo. A fellow PJ just bought one and loves it. Another PJ friend is racking up another 150K plus miles on this third Tercel, so something tells me they are on to something. I have driven the new Honda Civic Coupe and like everything about it except the seating position (I'm 6'1", 210 pounds) and a grandfather of two beautiful girls, so I'm no spring chicken. I also have a trick back that makes getting in and out of vehicles very difficult. Although the Civic seems to be of Mercedes-Benz quality, the seating position and the price and arrogance of the dealers have me thinking real hard about the Echo. I have two basic questions. 1: No remote mirror controls? Can this be upgraded (can't find any vehicles with remotes anywhere)? And what about the wind noise from those mirrors? 2: Is the gas mileage really that good? I could almost pay for the thing in the monthly gas savings! The test drive I took made me think an automatic would be fine and probably better in case I get stuck in traffic, but in the real world is it zippy enough? The Civic automatic seemed dull compared to the 5-speed Civic. There are no 5-speed Echos to test drive so I am at your mercy here. Also, the herd has been pretty thinned out so I hope the '02s will start coming in soon. I could only find one 2-door in the greater Atlanta market and I find the 2-door much easier to get into. Sorry this post is so long. Thanks ahead of time for any info anyone can provide.
#2148 of 5822 photoboy, etc.
Aug 19, 2001 (9:44 pm)
Regarding gas mileage, I believe the average for my last 10 tanks or so is above 41 MPG, and I don't think the Echo has gone below 39 MPG on any of those tanks (if I had my log here I could give specifics). Also, my last single-tank figure was 42.2 MPG.
My Echo has the 5-speed, with which I can achieve much more than sufficient acceleration. But, I did test-drive the automatic and it seemed quick enough and shifted quite smoothly, although a more lengthy test would be necessary to confirm its acceleration. However, I do not recall reading any complaint about the automatic on this forum.
The dealer from which I ordered the Echo has a "no-hassle" policy, which means that I bought the car at some fixed amount above invoice ($1000 comes to mind). In any case, I got it with the features described above (#2098) for a little more than $13,800 US. List was $14,330.
#2149 of 5822 photoboy by llemmon
Aug 19, 2001 (11:44 pm)
Try test driving the echo , corolla and the camary/solara.I would go with the 4 cyl camary or solara for comfort and the echo or corolla for gas mileage.I would personally buy the Echo 5spd for driving fun and gas mileage but for taking the trips you can not beat a Solara.
#2150 of 5822 rattles and such
Aug 20, 2001 (12:08 am)
yes, the lock buttons are the only source of rattles in my Echo. I don't have power locks so that leads me to believe it's a design flaw in the collar-my other cars have had 'felt' lining the collar to prevent plastic-to-plastic contact.
Gas mpg has been consistent 36~ in mainly city driving. I have 5-spd 4-door and drive fast.
Aug 20, 2001 (6:04 am)
I would suggest getting the four door and not the two door. I say this because you mention having two grandchildren. You may find the two door easier to get into, but they will find the four door easier to get into.
Aug 20, 2001 (6:05 am)
I would check with your insurance agent. The difference in cost to insure between the Echo and the Corolla is another factor to consider.
Aug 20, 2001 (7:44 am)
is $14,800 a good price for a 4 door automatic with weather guard and upgrade package 1 and 2 plus key less entry? i should be able to pick my new ECHO up in the next couple of days. thanks for your help.
#2154 of 5822 Cross Country Echo
Aug 20, 2001 (8:32 am)
NY-> Las Vegas-> Phoenix-> Vegas (again)-> Atlantic City,NJ-> NY-> Ohio-> Back to NY
7300 miles in 2 weeks.
I'm quite happy to say that the car has proved comfortable, even after 10+ hours a day in it.
Echos don't like doing 100. But they can!
Echos don't like Utah. Too many ^%$#%! drivers! The scenery is nice though.
Echos don't like being above 10000ft. You can hear the engine working pretty hard to stay at 55 - level ground. (and don't even think about 4th gear (overdrive off!))
Aug 20, 2001 (11:38 am)
Och, if that is all you are getting, that is not a good price. I went to Carsdirect.com and $14,800 for an Echo equipped the way you mention is $30 OVER the MSRP.