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You are in the Mercedes Benz S-Class Sedan
What is this discussion about?
Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Car Leasing, Sedan
Sep 19, 2002 (8:54 pm)
It is so refreshing to read a first timer test drive of a Benz. I think r1_97 summed it up best. If you can do it go for the S500.
Mercedes does some things differently from Lexus, the mindset is a little different. A Mercedes is pretty much a "custom" car compared to a Lexus. The options are endless and the features are space age in some cases. I can understand your concerns about reliability over the long haul. If you're really that bothered by the long-term reliability factor, just lease it.
Why do you take the bs from that page as the truth. Don't you know that sales of a car that is about to be replaced always "slide" right before the new car appears. I see no panic from Lexus in 2000 when the LS400 fell off the chart pending the arrivial of the LS430. Same with the 2001 7-Series. Same with the 2002 E-Class, it has "slide" all year, but then they sold over 1800 of the 2003 E's in one week(!). Any Benz dealer right now will openly tell you they want to "deal" on the remaining 2002 S-Classes. Why is that whenever something natural happens at MB it's taken as the end of MB or some type of big disaster?
Numbers don't lie, nor do they tell the whole story. The cubic feet stuff is about as real as where that extra space is located. The S-Class backseat is roomier.
Sep 20, 2002 (4:44 am)
The bright glowing rear light that you refered to was due to someone having there fog lights on.
#1400 of 2088 1999 S320 LWB
Sep 20, 2002 (5:13 am)
Folks, I am looking into buying a 1999 S320 Long Wheel Base with 60K on it. The asking price is 29K.
I do not have much info on this particular model i.e. its strengths, weaknesses, things to watch for, etc.
I am planning to have it inspected by a mechanic, however I will appreciate if anyone can provide me with some hints on what to look for in this particular model before purchasing one.
Sep 20, 2002 (7:17 am)
Yes, I agree. BUT, my point wasn't only about cubic feet, but actual and useful measurements. You correctly point out that the Benz has a "roomier" back seat (tho only in legroom, not headroom or shoulder room). I correctly point out that the Lexus has a bigger advantage in both headroom AND legroom in the front seat, where I spend all of my time. So, in terms of seating comfort, I guess it depends on where you plan to sit most of the time.
Pat, I also agree this thread got skewed (possibly by me) so that it more appropriately belongs in the comparo board. I'll stop.
#1402 of 2088 TO: MBNUT1 VERY FUNNY!
Sep 20, 2002 (9:07 am)
I really enjoyed your comment about that bright rear light on one side. You must be referring to a light INSIDE the car. I am talking about outside the car in the rear. This is supposed to be driving lights or stop lights. Driving lights are supposed to be illuminated dimmer than BRAKE lights, which are supposed to be BRIGHT when stopping, not while going 75 miles per hour. To be perfectly fair, I have seen that bright light (or light out) on BMW's too, but much more on older Mercedes.
Must be something about the electrical connectors in the sockets. They have 2 little strips inside, where each contact rests on one strip. Hopefully this has been redesigned on the later models.
Mercedes and other German cars have their strengths and weaknesses just like any other carmaker, but that light situation has been something that always bothered me about these cars.
Sep 20, 2002 (9:50 am)
...there are times when the comments here do make me wonder...
YES, the single brighter red light on the left side [of a left-hand drive car] is indeed the rear fog light. And it does work, as I can tell you as a early morning runner in an area that gets a lot of winter fog.
And yes, they were/are still std on most EU cars [MB, Volvo, SAAB, Jag, etc.] brought to the US, though I hear that BMW has recently been disabling the rear fog for reasons that escape me.
There is only one fog for the rear to make sure you do NOT mistake it for a stop light; illumination intensity varies by manufacturer, but it will generally be several times brighter than the running/"tail" lights, if not quite as bright as the stop lights.
MBNut had it right, of course. The comment immediately above can only come from someone who has a) never owned one of these cars, or b) has never bothered to read the owner's manual. Whichever...
#1404 of 2088 I Am Not An Idiot
Sep 20, 2002 (12:37 pm)
Do you use a rear fog lamp in the broad day light in the middle of the day? I can see a foglamp during times of fog, but during the DAY? (Let me guess.... MAYBE the driver forgot to turn it off, huh? ) There are surely a lot of drivers that leave that light on. For your information, I have seen single lights glowing on both left and tight sides in different situations. At night with headlamps on, you SHOULD have at least one light on each side of the car to signify driving lights. I COULD have said that the majority of the time that I come up behind a car with one light out, it is probably European, but I did not say that. BUT IT IS TRUE! Especially on older German cars (which is what I said originally). UNLESS of course the driver has a way of deactivating one of the DRIVING lights at night... I can be as sarcastic as you if the situation warrants.
I can see that it is time for me to go elsewhere and write. I will stay out of your website because I am obviously ignorant, and you guys are much smarter than me.
I can always learn something, but you EDUCATED people have put me in my place.
Thanks jrct9454 for letting me know that I don't want to be anything like you. The fact is, we are not in Europe or Japan, and most people don't know about these lights. Besides, here in America it seems we have a much bigger problem of drunk drivers than in Europe. The penalties for this crime are much more severe, and many countries is virtually non existent. Having spent many years in Japan as part of our armed forces I have seen this light on their cars as well. They are generally used when the car is parked there. Drunk drivers have been known to drive right up the rear of cars with lights on like that late at night if the car is stopped here in America. That MAY be one of the reasons this light is being deleted, but then again, I don't know anything.
As I said in my original comment, electrical problems are present in some of the old Bosch and Lucas systems, and though I haven't read an owners manual on a BMW or Mercedes lately, I can surely tell you when I see a BRAKE light or driving light that is not working properly...(like when the car is coming to a stop, and only 1 brake light comes on) Perhaps in Europe they have only one brake light, right? I had no complaint about the rear fog light. But it wouldn't make much sense for a driver to be tooling down the road with the light on if it were clear outside. The statement I was making had NOTHING to do with the rear fog lamp.
It must really feel good to be so smug and self assured. If you had a problem with a comment I made, you should have addressed it me.
Thanks for making me feel so welcome. I guess I'll go back to my Japanese cars now!
#1405 of 2088 flint
Sep 20, 2002 (3:54 pm)
I wasn't fussin', I just thought that the comparo is a natural and wondered why we don't have a discussion already underway.
Sep 21, 2002 (8:01 am)
...sensitive, eh? Well, I guess my sensitivities run counter to the assumption that there MUST be an electrical problem if you see something you can't explain.
And I'll admit I was partially reacting to the implied message that MBNut couldn't possibly know what he was talking about, notwithstanding the fact that he had the right answer. I didn't much care for the tone there, either, so I guess that makes us even.
Problem with this medium is that there is no nuance key...
Sep 21, 2002 (11:35 am)
I like those little purple lights that people put around their license plates, the ones that flash sequentially. It tells me that S-class owner has a sense of humor. Dingle balls would be going too far, though.