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Lexus ES 300, Lexus ES 330, Sedan
#504 of 5443 Deposits on new ES 300
Feb 12, 2001 (6:43 am)
I placed a $500 deposit this past weekend on the upcoming new ES. I am number five in line at my dealer (in the Chicago area). I currently have a 1995 ES that I bought new (with only 31,000 miles on it now) and am about 90% sure I will get the new one. My deposit is fully refundable at any time.
Also, there have been several TV shows on in Chicago about the auto show here, and one interviewed the Midwest manager for Toyota. He didn't comment on the ES, but talked briefly about the Camry and said what we already knew, that's it's coming out in the Fall.
For those that don't know, owners of Lexus dealers were shown the new ES back in October I believe at a meeting in Colorado. They weren't given any details, but they were able to see the car up close. My dealer said Lexus felt they did not do enough to the last redesign (in 1997) to separate it from the previous 1992-96 version, and that the new one will be noticeable different from the current one.
Also, I have been invited to a Lexus focus group in Chicago in two weeks, and the topic is the ES and the entire Lexus experience. So, maybe I'll find out some more info then. My dealer actually arranged to have me attend.
#505 of 5443 comments on es300
Feb 12, 2001 (3:14 pm)
I've never heard of that problem on an es300.
that is surprising. but Afinegold offered some
great advice. good luck.
regarding auto locks, I don't think consumers
ever demanded them to be a necessity. I'm sure
Lexus would put them in ES if that were the case.
I personally don't have any problem with not
having it. Having it may even be an annoyance.
That is a nice upscale looking sedan but I don't
think it's the new ES. it's called Fortuna and
not Windom. I tried to find the new ES but couldn't on the jp site. can't read japanese so
I pretty much clicked on everything in sight.
I really hope the 2002 ES will have some of the
styling(front & back) similar to that of the
current generation. I think the current gen is
the most elegant luxury car design on the market.
it gets better with age. I kinda got sick of
the 1996 LS400 and latest GS400/300 designs. The
SC400 and ES styling seem to still look fresh to
me. After a nice wash, my ES can still turn heads.
I think the next ES will be bigger(maybe 3.2, 230
bhp or more), more luxurious(nav,etc) and expensive than the IS300. Lexus is deliberately
refraining from showing it to us to make its
introduction even more special.
Please let us know Lenscap.
#506 of 5443 Redesign of ES300
Feb 12, 2001 (7:27 pm)
I was told at the Lexus exhibit at the Chicago Auto Show yesterday that the redesigned ES300 will not be out for over a year (spring 2002) and will debut as a 2003 model. He seemed to know what he was talking about. Was he wrong?
#507 of 5443 Lexus styling
Feb 13, 2001 (7:21 pm)
I've read some earlier comments about Lexus,
Japanese cars in general, being boring, having
no style or character. I wanna respond.
I hope those of you who truly are owners of
Lexus cars are not persuaded to believe that
you're owning boring or unstylish cars. There
is nothing wrong with our taste in styles. All
cars have their own character. A Lexus car's
character is being all it can be to please its
owner. doing almost everything well. A BMW's
character is "fun driving" but not reliable enough. Lexus cars are German cars biggest
threat with owner satisfaction. so MB,BMW
promoters, enthusiasts need to propagate that
Lexus cars are boring, have no character.
After all, MB, BMW have to be better than the
competition at something if not at producing
reliable cars, offering value.
Regarding unigueness, look at BMW's 3,5,7, M coupe series. They all have the same basic
designes except for size and luxury. Check out
Audi's A4,A6,A8. they all look the same.
At least each Lexus model has its own unique
design. Even Acura is trying to do what the
German makes are doing which is to have a
"signature design". Acura cars tend to look alike
these days, even the MDX SUV. So Lexus is on the
right track of being innovative and a leader.
Others need to catch up. And they have been
scrambling to catch up. look at how MB,BMW have
been offering better value, quality since the
LS400,ES300 selling success of the early 90s.
I just hope Lexus will not consider offering
a "signature design" for all their cars. if so,
then Lexus cars would really be boring.
for now, they're on a roll.
I know some of you are offended. sorry! just
stating my honest opinion. for those who are
actually MB,BMW enthusiasts disguised as Lexus
enthusiasts, please state your claims that
Lexus cars are boring at the BMW discussion
board and you wouldn't have a response like this.
Feb 14, 2001 (11:53 am)
It was me (and turbotc I think) that said earlier I thought my ES300 was boring and uninspired in the styling department, but that it made up for it in relaibility and the cost/benefit areas and that drove my decisions to buy. Why do you seem to imply I'm not a Lexus owner? Why can't a Lexus owner have negative thoughts as well as positive thoughts on their car? I am also an MB owner and enthusiest and I will state over and over again that my MBs are wonderful cars with a great feel and styling but have the limitation of high purchase prices for the features offered and a very high cost of maintanence. There are similar trade-offs for any car regardless of the particular car's strong points. It is silly to maintain otherwise.
Feb 14, 2001 (3:26 pm)
Me again....btw: just saw a picture of the new Lexus SC with the retractable hard-top coming out soon. Pretty hot looking car. It is a little like the Boxter, but still has it's own look. Basicly awsome styling. Maybe some of that inspiration spilled over to the new ES coming out soon?? No one seems to be able to get any pics on the new ES though, so it's hard to tell.
And, as was said a few posts ago, I don't think the ES is bad, or ugly, and I do own one. This forum helped me make up my mind and negotiate the deal back in July/August.
Feb 14, 2001 (5:37 pm)
Actually I never said that the ES300 styling was boring. I actually think it is pretty attractive looking. I really like the rear lights (whitish) on the MY2000 and up. It is definitely not boring at all. I am just saying that it rides totally different than my E320. I really enjoy the handling of the MB as I really enjoy driving it. Then again they aren't comparable cars with the E320 like 20 grand more. But you can't beat the Lexus reliability. That just goes to say why so many Americans buy Japanese but if you go to Japan you will see why so few Japanese buy Americans.
#511 of 5443 sddlw & turbotc
Feb 14, 2001 (8:35 pm)
ok again sorry if I offended anyone.
I was kinda disappointed with the new SC design
but it is nice looking. I was expecting so much
more from Lexus since the last SC was such an
awsome design that left a major mark in the
automotive world--future hall of famer for cars.
I hope the new ES will not look like that.
Lexus can do better. but the folding hard-top is
impressive. I think they should try to speed it
up though. Let's see if other manufacturers will
do the same with their future models.
Feb 15, 2001 (7:23 am)
turbotc - sorry for wrongly including you in the "boring" catagory. I did not look back in the discussion. It's funny that you mention the rear-end. That is where I think the ES styling is the weakest!! Just goes to show you how people and opinions differ. I like the ES profile from the front center the best.
A bit off-topic but, have you guys seen the whole new crop of convertables? The Toyota MR2, Lexus SC, Honda, the redesigned Thunderbird ... There are some really great cars coming out these days. Maybe I'll pry my wife's hands from her 84-SL and get her a 21st century car.
btw: we test drove an SLK last year. The retractable hard-top is "way-cool". All the convienence and quiet of a sedan and yet a convertable!
#513 of 5443 Lexus styling
Feb 15, 2001 (9:27 am)
Actually I don't understand why a lot of people say they can not tell whether the car is a ES or a Camry if they don't see the symbol on the car. I usually identify a car by looking at its taillights because taillight styles are unique on each car. I could just name any car on the road by just looking at their rear lights from a distance without looking at the symbol. The ES rear lights are never the same as the Camry's.
After all, it comes down to "beauty is in the eye of the beholder." Each individual's taste is different. One may prefer uniqueness (that's why you see car painted with combination of lime green and purple) while other may prefer conservative looking cars, so long as the look of the car pleases their eyes. For me, the 01 ES with clear rearlights lenses is attractive and the wood steering wheel makes it look very classy. That's why I bought the car. Oops, not really. Comfort is what make me decide on the Lexus vs. the TL.