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Lexus ES 300, Lexus ES 330, Sedan
#4684 of 5443 Defective transmissions/Mark Levinson audio
Dec 23, 2004 (12:56 am)
How many out there with a 2004 or 2005 ES 330 have a defective transmission? Is it a very widespread problem? Have any of you who have a defective transmission received any satisfaction from Lexus in either successfully repairing your car or replacing it with a brand new car which does not have the problem?
Why is the Mark Levinson audio system only available as part of an expensive equipment package and not as a stand-alone option?
#4685 of 5443 Re: I love my 2005 Es-330 [georgeb7]
Dec 23, 2004 (5:03 am)
My experience is that the transmission could be smoother but does not rise to "Defective". If driven properly the transmission works perfectly on my car. It sounds like your transmission problems are more severe than mine.
As I stated in my previous post my 2005 ES 330 is a superb vehicle and I have no complaints.
#4686 of 5443 Re: Mileage [charlie8]
Dec 26, 2004 (8:56 am)
You need to worry more about the transmission, than of the mileage.
#4687 of 5443 Toyo summer tire wear
Dec 26, 2004 (11:37 am)
For those who got Toyo J33 summer tires with your 02+ ES can you share with the mileage it was when the tires were quite worn-out and ready for replacements? Summer tires wear faster than all season but is 20K-miles-only life normal?
#4688 of 5443 Re: Defective transmissions/Mark Levinson audio [priggly]
Dec 26, 2004 (5:43 pm)
I had a 2004 ES330 and it had horrible hesitation issues. I called Lexus customer service several times with no help offered. The last time I contacted them they blatantly stated that the car was operating as designed and that there was nothing more they could do for me. But they did give me a phone number in case I wanted to go through arbitration with them. Basically I got the royal screw job. As for one of the other posters on this board that states you should alter your driving habits to minimize the hesitation problems, I think that person should have their head examined!!! You purchased a new car you should expect it to be flawless, this is not a Kia.
Also just a side note the all new Toyota Avalon is getting a new solid state electronically controlled throttle system, perhaps the ES330 drive by wire throttle system is problematic!!! The Avalon Limited edition will be nicer that the ES330 WITH A 270+ hp. engine and less $$$$$$. In my opinion don't buy the ES330 or you will regret it every time you press the accelerator. Good Luck!
#4689 of 5443 Re: Defective transmissions/Mark Levinson audio [mrdlexus]
Dec 27, 2004 (1:39 am)
Hi mrdlexus, thanks for the advice. This car (Lexus ES330) sounds inherently defective and I think I'll stay away from it. Addtionally, I don't like the way the ML sound system is bundled with additional tiered options as part of a package in order to jack up the price. It should be a stand-alone option, of course.
#4690 of 5443 Re: Defective transmissions [mrdlexus]
Dec 27, 2004 (12:57 pm)
Mrdlexus, would you please elaborate on the "new solid state electronically controlled throttle system" referred to in your post?
I believe the "drive by wire throttle" system has an inherent design flaw as most cars built with such system invariably have hesitation problems during accelaration. For example, in the past 13 years I have owned three Maximas, and my 03 Max (the only one with drive by wire) has a slight acceleration hesitation, but definitely not as bad as that described by some of the posters here.
Although the Nissan dealer acknowledged the hesitation problem, I was told that "that is how drive by wire operates." If that is indeed true, why would a manufacturer put in a throttle system that is defective? Is this system cheaper to make and install? Any thoughts and comments?
#4691 of 5443 Re: Defective transmissions [kennyg5]
Dec 27, 2004 (11:15 pm)
I could not comment on any Nissan's since I have never owned one, but the ES330 I can comment on. This was not barely noticeable hesitation, this was full blown why isn't the car moving yet, type of hesitation. It was so bad that passengers wondered what was wrong with my car, because it jerked them around during shifts and the tranny shifting made weird noises. The problem was not there 100% of the time, but enough to make you think every time you started from a stop, or tried to merge into traffic.
As far as the new Avalon system you can check it out at the Toyota website. Many future Avalon customers are greatly concerned that the redesigned model will have the problematic throttle system that is used in the ES, but Toyota goes to great lengths to specifically state "all new solid state". We'll see but I would not hold my breath!!
I think the ES was a good overall car, but would be the best car for its price if Lexus/Toyota could fix this nagging transmission/throttle problem. I have never driven a car before that has so much delay "built in" to the throttle system. Every person that drove my ES commented on it. I did not tell them the problem, I just wanted to find out if I was imagining things or not. Truth be told, test drive the ES if you can live with it then buy it, the hesitation will affect people in different ways. I clearly noticed it, while others may not. Simply put, when I press the accelerator I expect the car to move, not wait 1- 1.5 seconds to decide if it wants to move. The ES is not a high performance car but should be able to handle normal driving conditions.
I had a 1999 Camry V6 XLE that was smoother and quieter than the ES330, just not as luxiourous. Test drive the ES and look for the hesitation, I'll guarantee you will notice it.
Just remember if you end up buying the ES don't think you will get your money back, Lexus won't even admit there is a problem. One day they will fix it and probably not say a word, hopefully someone on one of there boards will keep us posted. If they ever fix this problem I would but the car again, but if not then never again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#4692 of 5443 Re: Creaking problem [mitchb711]
Dec 29, 2004 (12:34 pm)
I have the creaking problem in the passenger seat as well. i'm going to tell them to remove the alignment pins at my 5K check up this month. Did the dealer remove from the drivers seat pins as well? im guessing i should tell them to before making a 2nd trip.
Thanks for the post!
#4693 of 5443 Re: ES 330 Transmission [carlo]
Dec 29, 2004 (5:20 pm)
Just remember to report this defect to the NHSTA. I did when I was told the car was acting normal. If enough Lexus owners complain, Lexus will have to look at the problem instead of sweeping it under the rug. Many ask me about my third Lexus. I tell them not to touch one with a ten foot pole or they will get bit. Let's face it. What once was a great car is now a danger and an irritant. Lexus has the name, but not the product.