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Lexus ES 300, Lexus ES 330, Sedan
#4609 of 5443 ES 330 transmission
Sep 14, 2004 (4:28 pm)
The transmission in my 2004 ES is the worst one I have ever had. It is sluggish, slow to respond, shifts up and down frequently. This is really a problem when accelerating after slowing down but also from start. The dealer/service has reset the transmission computer but insist there is nothing wrong. I have 5000 miles now and can truly say that I regret this car purchase because of the transmission.
My previous Camry beats this car hands down, and it was 10 years old. I won't buy another Lexus product until or unless this is fixed.
Also, the cupholders stink!
#4610 of 5443 Re: ES 330 transmission [suealbert]
Sep 14, 2004 (6:27 pm)
Did they do anything to improve the shifting on the new 2005s or are waiting for the complete redesign for 2007 models?
#4611 of 5443 Rotten Egg Stench
Sep 17, 2004 (6:17 am)
Go to this article to read about 8 year/80,000 mile warranty extension to correct rotten egg/sulfur odor due to catalytic converter probelm.
The following vehicles are covered:
2002-2003 Lexus ES 300s
2003-2004 Lexus GX 470s
2002 to 2004 Camrys
2003 and 2004 4Runners
#4612 of 5443 The transmission thing
Sep 17, 2004 (3:35 pm)
My folks have a 2004 ES330 that I've driven fairly extensively, particularly recently while they have been out of town. I have known about the transmission issue for some time and was mildly hesitant about recommending this car to my parents for that reason. However, the test drives demonstrated nothing untoward and there was nothing else at the price that was nearly as suitable for them so they went ahead with the purchase.
After 4000 miles, I concur that the powertrain can be confused at low speeds (5-25/30 mph) when you press the accelerator after coasting for some time. This can result in a somewhat abrupt lurch forward. I am not sure whether this is necessarily a transmission problem or something related to the drive-by-wire programming.
OTOH, after only a few miles I had learned how not to evoke this response. (In a nutshell: Ease onto the accelerator after you've been coasting/braking, particularly while executing a "rolling stop.")
Other than this annoying but minor and easily circumvented problem, I can't find anything wrong with this transmission. And unlike my parents, I consider myself to be a demanding and perceptive driver. Shifts are reasonably quick and seamless, downshifts (albeit sometimes requiring a heavier-than-ideal throttle foot) and gear selection appropriate. At no time have I experienced anything that could be called dangerous.
It is certainly not as perfect as the tranny in the 7-series BMW I drove last week. I would also venture that the transmission does not quite match up to the polish of the rest of the ES330's mechanical components. But it is certainly within the acceptable range for modern cars in its class.
In summary, I don't regret advising my folks to purchase this car. IMO, it is the class of the near-luxury field (as long as you are not inclined to sporty driving) and the rest of the car more than makes up for what is a very minor powertrain issue.
#4613 of 5443 Re: The transmission thing [morehp]
Sep 17, 2004 (6:43 pm)
Maybe the dealers should offer classes on how to work around the transmission's shifting problems.
#4614 of 5443 Re: The transmission thing [307web]
Sep 18, 2004 (8:53 am)
LOL! Perhaps I should hire myself out.
#4615 of 5443 suealbert about cup holders
Sep 18, 2004 (5:34 pm)
I agree 100%. You can't put a slender water bottle like poland spring in the holder lest it ejects itself and slams into anywhere inside the car. I complained that to the sales person when I saw him last time,he agreed.
#4617 of 5443 You be the judge
Sep 23, 2004 (6:41 pm)
Do Toyota and Lexus deliver the safety and customer satisfaction they claim?
At Toyota and Lexus dealers, and the Edmunds Town Hall website, owners frequently complain of hesitation and surging in 2004 models (Camry, Highlander, Sienna, ES330 and RX330). Yet, Toyota claims there is no defect, and no safety problem with the transaxle and drive by wire throttle/software system—this is “normal” performance because all their cars do it.
Based on the NHTSA database of 2004 owner reports:
• There are 13 reports of accidents with property damage, personal injury and one death related to the transmission/throttle system. (7 times the equivalent Ford and Honda accident rate!).
• Owners of V6 models (Sienna, ES330 and RX330) are 15 times more likely than Ford and Honda owners to file a hesitation/surging complaint—Could it be because a) they have more problems b) Toyota refuses to acknowledge (or fix) the problem and c) it’s NHTSA’s job to step in when a manufacturer won’t voluntarily correct their safety defects?
• The majority of V6 Toyota owners filing a hesitation/surging complaint state the car is unsafe. (Of the significantly fewer transmission complaints from Ford and Honda owners, none reported it as a safety hazard!)
#4618 of 5443 We're being ripped off!
Sep 25, 2004 (6:42 am)
In addition to being stuck with Toyota's transmission/drive by wire screw up that they won't fix, we paid too much for it.
Toyota's profit was $10.24 BILLION in fy2003, more than GM, Ford, and Daimler-Chrysler combined! Toyota/Lexus is charging (and we are paying) way too much for their diminishing quality