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Lexus ES 300, Lexus ES 330, Sedan
#4446 of 5443 2004 Lexus NAVs
Mar 27, 2004 (1:05 pm)
DVD Navigation System: Lexus offers an optional DVD-based global satellite positioning (GPS) navigation system in all models for 2004, and was the first company to offer this technology across its model line. The system is standard on the SC 430 hardtop convertible and the LX 470 premium luxury utility vehicle. In all applications the system uses a DVD disc for map data - one Digital Versatile Disc (DVD) can hold all the map data for the contiguous United States, plus additional areas in Canada.
Several Lexus models for 2004 incorporate Bluetooth® wireless technology and updated features, including a larger point of interest (POI) database, improved screen graphics, phone number-based address location and building footprint display. Bluetooth® technology uses radio signals to allow Bluetooth®-enabled cellular telephones to wirelessly connect with the navigation system to synchronize phone books and to make hands-free phone calls.
The DVD map database in the new system now contains more than five million POIs, compared to two million for the previous system. The map database for Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles and New York features new "building footprint" graphics, which shows a 3D rendering of the building in its location. This feature can be useful for identifying buildings and their surroundings - helpful for example, when looking for nearby landmarks. Additional functions of the navigation system vary by vehicle. The LS 430 features a large seven-inch screen and incorporates voice command recognition. The driver can operate the system totally hands-free using 300 different voice commands. The navigation systems offered in the ES 330, SC 430, GS sedans and RX 330 feature touch-screen technology.
#4447 of 5443 If you upgade your Nav DVD from Lexus
Mar 27, 2004 (1:43 pm)
would you get some of the new features? I'd think as least POI and more updated addresses can be obtained as such. Anyone tries that and knows how much does the updated DVD cost?
Yes I am sure Nav will just keep getting better like all the e-gears. But I have not seen this built-in auto. Nav getting much cheaper yet. Still a $2K+ proposal in new ES and TL...
BTW, gekko2, seven-inch screen Nav that incorporates voice command recognition is already in TL and TSX, so I'd think ES will get that down the road. Did you actually try enter MacD or safeway or Walgreen and it finds the cloest one to yours? This got to be using one or two of the extra 3 mil POI. Nice.
Wonder how one of these mobile navs stack up?
Mar 27, 2004 (1:49 pm)
I am quite surprised that the price of navis have not lowered much since their introduction, say around 96? I remember I had to pay $750 (about 12 years ago) when I bought a car with ABS. Now, even below average cars (cost wise) come standard with ABS. Consider the nominal price of DVD drives and LCD screens (and perhaps the GPS software also), navi and auto manufacturers are making good profits on these gadgets. Just like the price of a factory installed car entertainment system as compared with a home entertainment system, the former is at least 4 to 5 times more expensive, while giving less features and inferior quality than the latter.
#4449 of 5443 Price of upgrade..
Mar 27, 2004 (2:15 pm)
...For the DVD, would be $224 quoted from Motor City Lexus in Bakersfield, California.
The new NAV in the 2004 ES330 has all the upgrades igiban referred to, I believe. Also, in order to save screen real estate (for lenscap's info), some of the selections are now on the push buttons and not on the touch screen. For example "DEST" is a hard pushbutton on the 2004, whereas on my 2002 ES300, these buttons are on the touch screen.
I suspect that some of the new features require a new NAV front panel, such as the Bluetooth wireless interface, so if you have an older NAV, you would not be able to avail yourself of it without purchasing some new hardware.
My 2002 ES300 would not be able to accommodate the bluetooth.
However, I believe that you CAN get updated software with more POI, etc. for older vehicles.
On my last service maintenance, I was able to demo the 2004 ES330 NAV, but I was looking for specific errors to be fixed, so I did not pay much attention to the different user interface.
It turned out that the major errors (which are in the map itself) were NOT fixed and the turn-by-turn and map data were not updated my rural area, so I did not pursue any more questions on the possibility of upgrading the softare on my 2002.
#4450 of 5443 NAV price..
Mar 27, 2004 (2:18 pm)
if they go like computers, the price will not tend to go down - rather you will continue to get increased capability for the same price.
A Mac Classic computer cost about the same as my current G4 notebook, for example.
Mar 27, 2004 (3:27 pm)
That is a very poor example. A Mac Classic is more comparable to an iMac (which is cheaper). You are comparing to costs of a notebook.
Even though most nav hardware should be getting cheaper, the cost of maintaining and updating the map and POI data remains high. The manufacturers have to pay high fees to the companies who produce the maps.
$2000 is overpriced though. That's what's keeping it from being more popular. How overpriced it is is reflected in how little of the value of an optional nav system is retained at resale time. A car that might normally hold over 50% of its value after 3 years might only retain only 30% or less of the additional cost of the $2000 nav system. The same is true of other gadgets such as expensive rear seat DVD entertainment systems in SUVs. They are also a turn off for some used car buyers because they don't want to deal with the repairs after the warranty expires.
#4452 of 5443 307web, OK I stand corrected...
Mar 27, 2004 (6:20 pm)
..maybe the details aren't exact, and I've only made a prediction, anyway.
My prediction is that the price probably won't drop anytime soon, but the features will improve.
And I still think it is more than a repair issue - it is an issue of technology obsolescence. That is just an opinion of course.
Apr 03, 2004 (4:19 pm)
I think it will get cheaper with time as technology improves.
Apr 06, 2004 (10:16 am)
"..I consider the NAV systems to be like any other very immature technology. That is, they will become obsolete very quickly, improve rapidly and become cheaper and more widely available. What looks like hot stuff today, will look ancient in no time!! That said, I think it is better to have an older NAV than none at all!"
Just to comment on this, I also agree that it is better to have an older nav than none at all. It really does not matter to me how much better the system improves. I bought my system and no matter how much better navs get it will not diminish what I have.
As another example, I still have a VCR from the late 1980s. Yes, VCRs have gotten better and cheaper. But this VCR still does what I bought it to do...record TV shows and play tapes. So even though navs will get better, my nav will still get me where I need to go with amazing accuracy and speed.
I don't agree that my nav will become obsolete in the foreseeable future. With nav updates available (which I don't even need) the system should work well for many years. As far as I know there is no new operating system on the horizon to replace the DVD.
#4455 of 5443 lenscap - You make an interesting point
Apr 06, 2004 (10:09 pm)
about obsolescence. I have heard many people say that any computer is obsolete at the time one purchases it.
However, the obsolete computer is still useable to the new owner!!
Regarding NAV - I think we are likely to see a lot more in the way of flexibility in routes and voice control, for example. If the laws become such that we can no longer "mess" with the NAV controls while we drive, that would mean that the only NAVs that would be legal would be those with voice control - and we are out of luck unless we want to spend a fortune upgrading our hardware.
We are already missing some satellite options, and our vehicles are only a couple of years old. I still suspect that in 8 - 10 years' time, our NAVs will look pretty ancient.
Perhaps in 10 years, you and I will still be posting to this site, and we can compare notes then!! It will be interesting to see who is closest to being correct.
Of course if the gas situation continues in the same vein as it has in the recent past, things might start resembling the way they were in the 1970s, where large cars were very much out of style. The ES300 would have been a large gas guzzler by the 1970s standards. If hybrids come into vogue, the ES300 may look pretty clunky, and the NAV would be the least of our problems! (I always pray that the ES300 will not appear like a "boat" with respect to future auto style.)