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#41 of 5432 ES300 Prices by sddlw Oct 16, 2000 (3:27 pm)
I'm no expert, but IMHO any remaining 2000 ES300s should be bought at prices pretty close to invoice given the current holdbacks, incentives, given that the 2001s are here, and given that there is a totally redesigned car coming in 11 months (+/-). This should at least be the case in major cities where there is some competition for your business. We've seen posted deals at invoice + a couple hundred dollars even 6-8 weeks ago. Also, given that several of us have purchased VP+ and Platinum cars for $31-$32K recently, a 1997 or 1998 car with 30K mi (+/-) for the mid 20s just doesn't make sense to me. That's 80% of current value for a new car. I mean, these cars do hold their value but a 97 is 4 model years old now. Most cars are looking at 40-60% residual value at this point and the very best of them generally do not exceeed 70%. Or is there something I'm just missing here?
#42 of 5432 jtc43...mpg by rolloman Oct 16, 2000 (8:56 pm)
With my 96 ES, I can't ever get any better than 21 mpg highway with AC on 70mph. What gives? How do you calculate your MPG? Maybe my numbers are jumbled? How about you Enigma, any suggestions on improving my gas mileage, oh wise one? How far can you go once warning light on gas gauge illuminates? Rolloman
#43 of 5432 . by enigmaone Oct 16, 2000 (10:29 pm)
Answer from the wise one, Something is either wrong with your ES300 or you can't do math(not trying to insult you). My parents 1995 ES300 with 92K miles on the odo. gives over 25 mpg all the time on trips with the A/C on. Just came back from a trip from here in NJ to Pittsburgh and back in my parents LS400 and I even got about 27MPG with the A/C off but in mountaineous driving at a average speed of about 70mph. When your light comes on you have about 2 1/2 gallons remaining. Try this, Next time you go on a trip, fill up your tank but only fill it up until the nozzle shuts off. Don't click it again to put that extra $0.50 in so that it hits a even dollar amount. Get going on your trip. Drive on the highway until your needle gets to the 1/2 or 1/4 mark. Refill the tank the same way as I stated above and calculate based on that. Also, do you keep your tires fluffed up to proper or greater PSI? I keep my ES300 at about 29. I think 26 is too low and it seems 29-30PSI is keeping the tires going longer.
#44 of 5432 Thank you oh enigma..one! by rolloman Oct 16, 2000 (10:52 pm)
I keep my tires at 30 PSI. How exactly do you calculate your mileage? I always fill up then drive til light comes on and divide the total mileage by 18 (size of gas tank)...is this not correct? I'll take your advice on the double fill-up method even though I don't exactly understand it. Thanks from the Mathematically challenged.
#45 of 5432 Rolloman by marsha7 Oct 17, 2000 (12:55 am)
I believe what enigma is trying to create for you is known as a mathematical constant. Since we do not have the kind of fuel monitors that Motor Trend has, we can only try and create a constant. By filling up until the gas shuts off, you will place X amount of fuel in the tank. By driving down to 3/4 or 1/2 on the fuel gauge, and then filling up again, but only to the auto shutoff, then it is assumed that dividing your miles by the number of gallons will give an accurate mpg. It would also help if you use the same pump at the same station, to eliminate the variable of different nozzle length or "shutoff sensitivity." In other words, the same nozzle would shut off at the same point each time. When you try and squeeze in more fuel after the auto shutoff, sometimes you can put in 1/2 gal, sometimes 3/4 gal, sometimes even a full gal, which will skew your mileage readings. Dividing your miles by 18 (fuel tank capacity) would only work if you literally filled the tank with 18 gal and than ran it until it ran out of fuel, and then checked the fuel tank to make sure it was bone dry, rather than having one or two gal sloshing around below the point of the fuel pickup. Does this help or make it worse?
#46 of 5432 Marsha7, PhD by rolloman Oct 17, 2000 (1:09 am)
Wow! Very impressive post! How do I know when the needle is EXACTLY at 3/4 or 1/2 tank?...or does it matter? As you can see, I didn't pass "Gas" in school. Thanks for your kind patience.
#47 of 5432 rolloman by turbotc Oct 17, 2000 (1:34 am)
what I think marsha and enigma are saying is: fill up your car until it click off and don't add anymore in. Reset your trip counter to 0000. Then drive until half a tank or 1/4 tank or whatever. Then fill her up until it click off and don't add anymore in. Then take the number of miles you drove divided by how many gallons it took to refuel her then you will get the mpg reading. It may not be tottally accurate but it give you a good figure of what to expect.
#48 of 5432 . by aiman Oct 17, 2000 (1:51 am)
I think it doesn't really matter whether u drive until 3/4 or 1/2 tank. As long as the trip is long (the longer the better) and try to keep the speed as constant as possible, you ought to get pretty good mileage approximation. Here's what I did in a step by step manner. 1. fill up gas until auto shutoff, and don't add additional gas after shutoff. 2. zero your trip odometer 3. drive on the highway for a long distance (say min. of 100 miles or until ur needle move at least 1/4 of the range--the more the better) with constant speed as much as possible (don't cruise too fast because that'll burn more gas than normal) 4. stop at a gas station (ideally the exact same one. at least find the same brand) and fill up until auto shut off. 5. gas mileage ~= (miles in the trip odometer)/(amount of gallon in the second fill up) Happy experimenting!
#49 of 5432 As always, thanks for the posts by rolloman Oct 17, 2000 (2:03 am)
I can always count on this board to help me out with my questions and problems. I think I've got it now. I'll let you know what kind of mileage I get. You guys are awesome.
#50 of 5432 1997-1998 ES300 by robert_s_22 Oct 17, 2000 (2:09 am)
Thanks everyone for all your help, I do think that 25K for a 1997 ES300 is VERY expensive no matter how good the resale is. I have been looking in the paper and there are individuals selling low milage ES300's for $18,500. I am going to offer $21,500, if they take it,great, if not I will go elsewhere. Once again, thanks for all your help, and JTC, I think they are very wonderful cars !!!

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