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Lexus ES 300, Lexus ES 330, Sedan
Jul 28, 2003 (6:06 am)
I couldn't disagree with you more. I feel the current ES 300 is far superior than the old model in every conceivable way. And I must not be the only one, because the current ES has far outsold the old ES, even when that car was brand new back in 1997.
Nobody I know, including myself, has transmission problems. There are a few people on this board that have mentioned a hesitation, but that does not warrant calling it a problem. Acura, with its failed transmissions...now that's a problem.
And as for the styling (always subjective), I love it. I wouldn't change a thing. The two-tone look of past Lexus and Mercedes models is definitely out of style.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but the buying public is grabbing up these cars much more than they did the old one (depite being launched during a terrible receession). I guess the old saying is true...to each his own. Enjoy your 2001!
Jul 28, 2003 (7:37 am)
dardson1: if a dealer call you (b/c used 01 model are so hot in demand)... and if you brought your 01 to the dealer and they would give you a brand new 03...
Probably you will say you want to keep (prefer) your 01... Majority people...(I think) will do the same.... b/c they will think... the dearler is drunk....
Previous model ES.. yeap.. was beatiful.. but it (already) had showed... sign of age...
Park your car next to the new ES... or test drive the new one... then you will see...
#3837 of 5443 Power Rear Sunshade Issue
Jul 28, 2003 (7:40 am)
I have a 2K2 ES300 w/the power rear sunshade. I only drive the car on the weekend and the shade is kept in the 'up' position most of the time. I noticed when driving that the shade will 'bounce' slightly while underway. This has only started to occur as it would remain stationary with the little wheels on the backside pressing against the glass.
Have any ES300 owners w/the power rear sunshade noticed any movement in their shades or does it remain fixed/stationary in the 'up position while in motion.
This has been the only issue in just over a year of ownership. The car is still flawless in appearance and operation and the Mark Levinson Audio system is truly outstanding!
2K2 ES300 Alabaster Metallic
everything but AVS
#3838 of 5443 just for the record
Jul 29, 2003 (7:32 am)
Edmunds road test comment on the transmission:
"Owners of the redesigned ES 300 have complained long and loud about the transmission. During our testing, we found when driving normally the five-speed automatic shifted imperceptibly. But when exercising the car or driving aggressively, the slushbox responded with harsh upshifts and soggy, delayed downshifts, behaving as though it were utterly confused about what the driver wanted it to do."
That is a mouthful and a bit extreme in my opinion; but it's a subject that comes up in almost every review I read. Had an '02 for 48hrs while they diagnoised and fixed a cold start problem in my '01 (can you beat that?). Found it more luxo and roomy inside, and even more quiet than the old version. Also notice the slowish downshift. Certainly wouldn't call it a "slushbox" and didn't find the transmission confused........just slow to kick into a lower gear. The whole package feels less like a mighty quiet and awfully smooth sport sedan and more like a sporty alternative to a big American luxomobile. Not necessarily a bad thing......
Jul 30, 2003 (3:28 am)
Sporty isn't a word I'd use with the new ES. With the IS released and covering the sports segment, Lexus could finally focus on creating an ES with luxury in mind (a "baby LS" as they like to call the new ES). Before the IS, Lexus' entry model had to touch upon both sport and luxury - and ultimately fell short in both regards.
As for styling, styling trends change often. Tastes are subjective. Success of a style, and of a model overall, are found in the sales numbers. The new ES has surpassed annual sales of all previous ES.
The switch to a 5 speed transmission in general is a definite plus for the ES. Lexus just needs to work towards making the transmission acceptable to all owners. The snippet in Edmunds' reviews was what I believe to be based on discussion in this board concerning the transmission, which means it was based on the strong opinions of a few dissatisfied owners. While dissatisfied owners are more likely than satisfied owners to find an online community to express their opinion, I'm sure there are many who are dissatisfied and don't come here to voice their opinion. So how representative the ES community here is to the experiences of all ES owners is something I wouldn't be able to determine.
But regardless of what the actual ratio of satisfied/dissatisfied owners are, it only helps that those who are dissatisfied with the tranny speak up and give it attention. Otherwise, Lexus isn't going to do a darn thing about it. After all, it's more about the pursuit of perfect sales than the pursuit of perfection. And it takes bad press (like that in the Edmunds article) rather than just individual owner complaints to put them into action.
As for the tranny issue being a "subject that comes up in almost every review I read," I've ready many reviews and have only seen it in 2 (Edmunds being one of them). dardson1 - what are these other reviews you've read?
Jul 30, 2003 (6:43 am)
Also note that Toyota/Lexus has allegedly upgraded the software on the 5AT since the ES300s introduction in 2002. (I believe the upgrade came early in this calendar year).
Additionally, the 04ES should be receiving the 3.3L 225hp 5600 RPM/ 240lb. ft. 3600 RPM engine used in the 04 RX/ 04 Sienna/ 04 Solara V6/ 04 Camry SE V6... and I have not heard any complaints about this engine/transmission set up.
just my 02
#3842 of 5443 Transmission
Jul 30, 2003 (11:39 am)
Not only is transmission a slush box.... I would call it a death trap. I'm looking into legal proceedings. It's hard though... I'm not familiar with anyone who has been injured as a result of the tranny failure. Lawyers want a really easy case. I know I've tried to change lanes in heavy traffic and nearly was rear ended a couple times. Also, I coasted through a couple of red lights when the transmssion failed. Lexus fully acknowledges that 8 percent of owners have problems with the transmission. I wouldn't be surprised if 25% are unhappy as most people don't take action on things. Until they get the tranny fixed, I would urge people to stay away from this car. It's sad because I love so much about the car, but the tranny is dangerous. Keep the complaints coming. I can assure you Lexus won't fix it if we're silent.
#3843 of 5443 Death trap!!!?????
Jul 30, 2003 (1:33 pm)
PLEASE !! Texas 83, how does the transmission prevent you from "coasting" through a red light? I thought that a car comes to a stop by applying the brakes, assuming one isn't "gunning it". I too have been nearly rear-ended in heavy traffic while changing lanes, but can't blame my car for traffic congestion or the eratic driving of others.
When I was in the market for a new car, I read the posts on this web-page. I decided to "take the chance" and buy one of these "death trap" ES 300s and have been very happy with my decision.
(No problem to date). It seems the vast majority of ES owners have experience similar to mine.
Jul 30, 2003 (6:22 pm)
Toy driver, I'm glad you bought one that isn't as bad as some. The breaks work fine on this car as well as everything else, except the tranny. The problem is, periodically, when you need sudden acceleration to change lanes, to cut across traffic, to make it through a changing light, etc...., when I need power there is a hesitation and then the RPM's fly up and THE CAR DOES NOT GO, except for the momentum already moving the car. Another words there is a loss of power and a dangerous moment is created. The irony is the softer you drive the car, the more likely it is to fail when you need power. Driving it softly before my lemon law hearing is how I got it to fail twice for the judge. Unfortunately, I asked for another car because I like the general aspects of the car, and couldn't believe in my heart that Lexus was really consistently producing a piece of junk like this. Please refer to previous posts, I'm not the only one stating this. On top of the dangerous aspects, the clunking, slip-surge and shuddering has been embarrassing. If you live in a small town or never need to accelerate for any reason, this is just the car for you.