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Lexus ES 300, Lexus ES 330, Sedan
Jan 31, 2003 (12:15 pm)
If you already own a 2000 ES 300, then you obviously have some sort of access to a Lexus dealer. I would recommend you drive a 2003 ES 300 so you can see the differences for yourself.
While the 1997-2001 ES 300s were great cars, they were only new cosmetically. They still used the platform of the 1992-1996 versions. This is not a bad thing mind you, as cars typically use a platform for more than one cycle.
But in using a brand-new platform, the 2002-03 ES 300s are stronger and more solid than the old versions. This is helped by the fact that frames were added to the doors, increasing structural rigidity. They benefit from the technology that has become available in the last ten years in terms of platform-building.
Aside from being on the new platform, the 2002-03 ES 300s have more safety equipment (like side curtain airbags), better option choices (like navigation) and a far more luxurious interior. Further, the car is bigger overall inside and out and much more "substantial." And, the now-old-looking lower body cladding is gone, giving the car a more modern look.
Again, the old ES 300s were and still are great cars. But five years (10 for the platform) is a long time in the car business, and the car was in need of a remake.
Hope this helps. But again, I strongly urge you to drive a 2003 and come to your own conclusions.
Jan 31, 2003 (12:56 pm)
Thank you for your thoughts. I will be driving one, but test driving and driving a car for a few thousand miles may result in different conclusions.
Any idea what a good price over invoice is?
Jan 31, 2003 (2:44 pm)
I've had a 92 ES, 94 GS, 01 RX and now the 02 ES. The change in the 02 ES was really the first overall redesign since the 02 model. The 97 remake was mainly cosmetic. The main differences:
1. The interior is larger and seats more comfortable.
2. The car is significantly quieter.
3. Safety equipment is much enhanced.
4. It now acts like more of a cruising sedan than a sports car - since the IS fills the sporty bill.
Overall, it is as comfortable a car as I have owned. The only thing I would improve is to add some HP under the hood, which I understand the 04's will have. The power it has is more than adequate - but a little more zip would just enhance the overall car.
#3513 of 5443 Lurching Problem
Jan 31, 2003 (5:26 pm)
I have 2002 ES300. I noticed that my car lurches forward if my AC is on and while stopping in 'drive' mode. I took it to dealer. Upon investigation they told me that this symptom is common in all 2002 and 2003 ES300 but they did open a case with Lexus Factory finally.
Is that true, is this symptom common to all ES300. Why has Lexus not provided any fix to this yet. Have other people noticed this ? Is n't this a serious problem which should be addressed. It could be personal style also but I am especially concerned when parking my car inside my garage since I have to be dead slow to avoid hitting the walls due to lurching.
Has anyone else opened a case with Lexus ?
#3514 of 5443 Exterior colors
Jan 31, 2003 (5:36 pm)
M.J., thanks for the great photo. Nice car! And it's very helpful to see what the Alabaster looks like CLEAN. I've been browsing dealer lots, but in the middle of Winter...well, it shows me what the different colors look like when they're grime covered.
My current cars are white; easy to take care of, good visibility, but this time, want something different.
My wife likes the Alabaster, which may make it unanimous. It's kind of a stealth color. I wasn't sure I cared for it at first, but the more I look at it, the more I like it. Something subtle about it.
I also like the silver, and to a lesser extent, the gold. (Decisions, decisions!) And I think the darker colors are very rich looking. But I wonder whether they'd be a bear to keep clean, and scratch free.
And I'm guessing (since I haven't seen the color) that the Starlite Pearl might be somewhat darker than the alabaster or silver, and a bit lighter than the Mystic Sea. I wonder where the Starlite falls in the "easy to keep clean" spectrum.
#3515 of 5443 Re: Lurching Problem
Jan 31, 2003 (6:48 pm)
I don't have ES300, but my previous Maxima, Altima and current QX4 all more or less have lurching "problem". In "drive" mode, If I hold the brake firmly I don't feel it. If I hold the brake just enough to stop the car, and turn on the A/C, I can feel the car moves a bit forward.
It's not a real problem to me.
#3516 of 5443 Just bought the ES300 - Oil Change and Service
Jan 31, 2003 (10:23 pm)
I just bought the ES300 about a week ago and so far I love this car. My decision was between the ES with the Nav and the BMW 525, but the ride of the Lexus is much more comfortable.
I have been reading about the service and oil changes on this forum and had a question. I have always used Jiffy Lube or some type of quick-change location. It's fast and about $30.00. They also provide a lot of the services that are required on the 30K service. Would there be a reason that I would not want use these types of places? Thanks a lot.
#3517 of 5443 Lurching, car color, and service
Feb 01, 2003 (1:08 am)
Lurching - I experience this too in my '02 ES when stopped and the A/C is on. It feels like my car is being nudged from behind by another car. A service writer at the Lexus dealer guessed it was from the A/C compressor being turned on and off in Auto mode. I should probably go into manual mode and turn the A/C on and off manually to see if this is it. I haven't experienced this in other cars with auto climate control.
Car color - Colors that are close to silver or gray are the easiest to maintain, as dust accumulation seems to blend in the best with these colors. It's hard to tell unless you're close up or you wash the car...then you think, wow, that was a lot of dust on the car. I used to think white was the easiest to keep looking clean, but silver tops it easily.
Service - I can think of a lot of reasons not to take your new ES to Jiffy Lube, or "these type of places". For starters, you're guaranteed to get an 'el cheapo' oil filter, and who knows if they change your oil with the right type of oil. Secondly, who knows what fluids they're using for the other services...it's certainly not Toyota's. For oil changes, Jiffy Lube and the other chains seem a safer bet than a lot of the gas stations and independent shops out there though. I know a local gas station which uses recycled oil (without telling the customer) and has a complete disregard for the oil weight requirements for a car.
Want the best for your car without paying the Lexus dealer markup? Pick up a bunch of 90915-20004 Toyota oil filters (Made in Japan by Denso, the best and largest OEM filter you can get for your ES) for ~$8/each from your Toyota dealer. And pick up a case or more of quality brand motor oil (Castrol, Pennzoil, any of the name-brands like Chevron), whatever is on sale. They go for as low as 59 cents/qt ($3 for the 5qts you need). Go to an oil change place that isn't busy and where you can watch them do the oil change. Labor shouldn't be more than $10-12. An oil change is a really simple thing as long as you have a lift so you don't have to crawl under the car. Total cost isn't more than $25, and not only are you giving your car the highest quality parts, but you know that it's being done right. And it usually takes less than half the time that the Lexus dealer would take. Not to mention you're getting a much higher quality filter than the Lexus dealer is going to give you, at half the price.
If this sounds like too much of a bother and you don't even want to think about the parts or how the service should be done, I would recommend going to the Lexus dealer for service. Lexus dealers aren't perfect either though. You'd think paying $50 for a tire rotation means they'll do it right. I know 3 instances when the service was paid for and they never even rotated the tires! (determined by marks placed on the tires). That's why I don't like it when i can't see my car being worked on. if it doesn't involving replacing parts and fluids that you can see have been changed, you never know whether it's done or not.
#3518 of 5443 Using quickie oil change places
Feb 01, 2003 (9:45 am)
I don't use the quickie oil change places for one simple reason, the oil pan drain plug. They don't install a new oil pan drain plug when they change the oil and they don't use a torque wrench when they tighten it. One quickie place left the drain plug loose and it cost me $900 for a repair job I didn't need to fix an oil leak which I later determined was the oil pan drain plug that was not torqued. Dealers usually install new drain plugs when they change the oil.
Feb 01, 2003 (12:52 pm)
Dealers do not usually install a new drain plug when they change the oil. All that gets changed is the 50 cent gasket, which is all that needs to get changed. And it's highly doubtful any oil change place (including the dealer) uses a torque wrench and tightens the drain plug to the proper spec.
Tire rotation is a service in which you do want your tires to be hand-tightened with a torque wrench to the proper 76 ft-lb (103N-m)spec. Once again, going to the dealer is no guarantee that this will be done.