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Lexus ES 300, Lexus ES 330, Sedan
Jan 26, 2003 (3:23 am)
I seen on Motor Trands website that the ES 300 is going to be called the ES330 with a larger engine. 20 more horse power.
Are there any other changes?
Also the same website states that the GS is going to be redesigned?
Of course the Lexus dealers I spoke too know nothing about either the ES or GS
I hope the Es300 transmission shutter is fixed in 2004. I test drove the 2003 model and was able to feel the shutter 5 times. In fact it was easy to make it happen if you "floored" the gas pedal.
I love lexus and lease a GS300 now. I want to stay with Lexus (with a lower monthly payment)
So I was looking at the ES300.
So far if I had to decide right this minute I would choose in the following order.
GS300 (Number one for me ,but price too high)
I35 (Infiniti nice car but not as nice as Lexus)
ES300 (comes in last because of transmission Shutter, Wood wheel, Loose wheel, and short front seats)
It is a shame the Es300 is not as good as I hoped. The price is right at $399 a month at 48 months with 12k miles a year.
#3475 of 5443 2004 model
Jan 26, 2003 (7:55 am)
Do drivers of the present Es feel there is sufficient power? Next year's modelis supposed to have a larger engine-what do most drivers think-is it worth waiting for?
Jan 26, 2003 (12:36 pm)
My '00 has more than enough power for me. How much do you REALLY need to go 70-80 MPH? I didn't get the car for the power. If you're wanting 0-60 in less than 6 seconds, get another car. How often do you drag the car next to you at the light?
#3477 of 5443 Wait for '04? Or go with '03?
Jan 26, 2003 (3:25 pm)
Well, it depends.
LIKELY (but no guarantees changes to '04:
1. 3.3L engine, more hp, maybe 20 more lbs. torque.
2. Radio controls on steering wheel.
If they boost the hp, maybe 1 notch up in tire width.
The above is all speculation. It'd be nice if they also added power telescoping to the steering wheel, and added that to memory, but maybe that gets too close to the LS? Who knows.
IF more hp, the added torque MAY reduce the amount of downshifting needed, which MAY reduce any hesitation problems.
I test-drove the '03 twice, just driving fairly normally, which for me is fairly brisk but smooth -- not hard-charging. Car had plenty of pickup -- for me.
I want to say it's easier for, say, Honda to crank their 3L up to 240hp (on regular, no less) than it is for Lexus, since the ES 300 has to be tuned for a quieter and smoother ride, and for the ULEV emission rating that Lexus covets.
BUT -- big but -- Honda's engine also is ULEV rated. So I think Lexus has to respond. They have to keep their lux car a notch ahead of mass market cars like Accords, in ALL areas, not just interior appointments, comfort and ride quality. This means staying at least in the neighborhood horsepower wise. And if Hondas have steering wheel radio controls...
Of course, Lexus HQ may disagree with me. )
#3478 of 5443 Honda's 3.0L 240 hp Accord engine
Jan 26, 2003 (5:13 pm)
is LEV certified, as per the website and Accord brochure. The 160hp 2.4L, however, is ULEV.
Jan 26, 2003 (8:30 pm)
I got the ULEV from the '03 Accord brochure. The photo of the engine block showed "3.0 VTEC ULEV" on the valve cover.
The text underneath says "...select V-6 models are Ultra-Low-Emission Vehicles (ULEV.)3"
The footnote tells the tale, though. It says -- in microscopic type -- "ULEV-rated on V-6 models available in CA, MA, ME, NY and VT."
I guess everyone else gets plain, old LEV engines.
I wonder if there's any difference in drivability, throttle response, or horsepower ratings between the ULEV and LEV versions of the engine.
My personal bias is to get the engine, throttle and transmission working smooth with no hesitation, then dial in all the ULEV you can, if you can. But if you can't, don't screw up the drivability to get the rating.
#3480 of 5443 Pesky Annoying Hop and Shake
Jan 26, 2003 (10:45 pm)
Hi, I originally posted this in ES 300 problems, but then saw this board discusses problems and gets a lot more traffic. So, I'm posting here too. I apologize for any inconvenience.
Recently bought a '96 Coach Edition Cream Puff (40,000 miles on it) that my mechanically inclined dad picked out from his friends at Lexus dealer in New Orleans. All seemed fine with car when hubby and I first drove it around for 2 days. Then I got injured and couldn't drive. Hubby drove car back to Chicago. When I got behind wheel, car wasn't right -- overally responsive to road, made popping noise during slow turns and had a shutter and hop. Before we could get it to dealer b/c of holidays, we got a flat tire too - 2 nails in it. Got flat repaired at gas station.
Took car to dealer for other problems. Tires were WAY overinflated (thanks hubby) and rear sway bar bushings were dirty. So, afterwards, the car was not so too overly responsive to road and less noise on turns. But it still seems to drift to left when in left lane of Xpressway and have to hold steering wheel in slight, slight correction so as not to drift off side of the road. Still makes bit on noise when turning and backing out of garage but not on forward turns.
But, the thing that really annoys me is that pesky hop and shudder remained -- almost like I was riding a horse, but not quite as severe. So I took it back to dealer. They let me drive around with the tech who worked on my car and he said while he knows what I'm talking about from other cars he just doesn't feel it in my car and tried to blame it on the roads. I told him that, yes, I was really sensative but that I had driven it on the expressway and city roads and smoother suburban roads and it was there all of the time. It seems to be worst when accelerating from 25 to 45. And I told him about the repaired tire. So, they tried to fix it by balancing the wheels, which they said were off by 10%, and gave it to me to drive around and see.
So, after the wheels were balanced, I drove around and the pesky hop and shudder were still there. So my dad suggested that, since we have a brand new spare in the trunk, we put that on to replace the repaired tire and see if that did the trick. It didn't.
So, does anybody have any suggestions? I know it seems like a minor complaint, but we have had the car less than two months and I saved up for years for it and got to drive it when it was pristine for 2 DAYS!!
#3481 of 5443 Pesky annoying hop and shake
Jan 27, 2003 (8:13 am)
Many years ago, I was a member of the Porsche Club of America. There was always an article in one of the car magazines about which tire is the best in terms of handling. Chuck Stoddard, owner of Stoddard Imported Cars, a Porsche dealership in Willoughby, Ohio wrote an article that Porsche owners should buy Michelins because they are the roundest of all the tires. This translates into much better feel in the steering. Since that time, I have put Michelins on many different cars, and have never been disappointed. I am not sure if that will solve your problem but at least you may be able to convince your dealer that tires are not the problem.
#3482 of 5443 Pesky Annoying Hop and Shake
Jan 27, 2003 (4:34 pm)
Always difficult to try to understand/fix car problems (could be anything) when you are looking at the car. To do it over the internet is next to impossible because there are so many possibilities. That being said, for whatever it is worth, find out if the wheels (rims) are original equipment. If not, you may have wheels that fit, but are not hub centric. If this is the case, you need hub rings to make them hub centric. This is only idea, but you never know!
#3483 of 5443 Why Accord Bests ES300
Jan 27, 2003 (5:20 pm)
As long as someone brought up the subject of the new Accord, I was strongly considering an ES300 but after driving the Accord, I doubt I'll get the ES300. Reasons that favor the Accord?
1. Much stronger engine
2. Much smoother transmission (no Shudder)
3. Steering wheel radio controls
4. List price is $10K less
5. Can be bought for invoice as opposed to near sticker price.