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Lexus ES 300, Lexus ES 330, Sedan
#3471 of 5443 More on transmission from RX 300/330 board
Jan 24, 2003 (3:53 pm)
Hmmm...if the RX 330 does in fact use the same trans as the ES 300 (330 in '04 model?), it'll be interesting to see if Lexus sorts out any shifting glitches.
Post #6801: "Car and Driver magazine (www.caranddriver.com) tested the ES300 in August 2002. They state that the new ES300 has the five speed U150E transmission. The previous generation ES300 has the U140E four speed transmission. I am not sure what transmission is in the RX300.
"C&D states that the U150E contains revised clutching which allows for two overdrives. The problem is that it is reluctant to give them up. Toyota and Lexus used to equip their cars with a sport/economy button for the transmission, but that button and the extra lines of software code are gone."
"In my post #6801, I mentioned that I do not know what transmission is used in the RX300. I did a Yahoo search on "RX300 U140E transmission," and it appears that the U140E is used in the FWD RX300, and the U140F is in the AWD. Since the previous generation ES300 used the U140E, and the 2002/2003 ES300 now use the U150E, there is a possibility that the new RX330 will also use the U150E."
#3472 of 5443 Radio display dimming
Jan 24, 2003 (4:51 pm)
I have a 2003 ES300. Whenever I turn on the car after sitting in very cold weather (Upstate New York winters), the backlight on the radio is extremely dim until the car warms up~about 10-15 minutes or so.
When I asked the dealer, he stated that the display is temperature dependent and that this is normal. Other people I've asked with the same car have not had this problem, and the climate control display never dims with cold weather. Doesn't this also have a similar type of display? Anyone else notice this problem?
Jan 25, 2003 (3:14 pm)
1)I was thinking of trading my 2000 ES with 42,000 miles, in great condition, for a 2003 model. My present car has heated seats, cd player, etc, but no nav. The dealer tells me they want $13500 plus my car for a new car which lists for $36552. How does this sound? The salesman said he thought the manager was giving me about $20,000 for my car. If anyone bought without trade, about same list price, what did you pay?
2) The saleman also said if you use premium fuel the mileage will be much better? Presently I use regular gas. Any thoughts?
3) Also, I understand for 2004 the new cars will have a larger engine-is it worth the wait? Is the present car sufficiently powered? Has anyone heard of other changes?
4)Finally are there some other owners who have traded to the 2002 style car from an earlier version-is there a big difference in the ride, etc. ?
Thanks everyone for your thoughts.
Jan 26, 2003 (3:23 am)
I seen on Motor Trands website that the ES 300 is going to be called the ES330 with a larger engine. 20 more horse power.
Are there any other changes?
Also the same website states that the GS is going to be redesigned?
Of course the Lexus dealers I spoke too know nothing about either the ES or GS
I hope the Es300 transmission shutter is fixed in 2004. I test drove the 2003 model and was able to feel the shutter 5 times. In fact it was easy to make it happen if you "floored" the gas pedal.
I love lexus and lease a GS300 now. I want to stay with Lexus (with a lower monthly payment)
So I was looking at the ES300.
So far if I had to decide right this minute I would choose in the following order.
GS300 (Number one for me ,but price too high)
I35 (Infiniti nice car but not as nice as Lexus)
ES300 (comes in last because of transmission Shutter, Wood wheel, Loose wheel, and short front seats)
It is a shame the Es300 is not as good as I hoped. The price is right at $399 a month at 48 months with 12k miles a year.
#3475 of 5443 2004 model
Jan 26, 2003 (7:55 am)
Do drivers of the present Es feel there is sufficient power? Next year's modelis supposed to have a larger engine-what do most drivers think-is it worth waiting for?
Jan 26, 2003 (12:36 pm)
My '00 has more than enough power for me. How much do you REALLY need to go 70-80 MPH? I didn't get the car for the power. If you're wanting 0-60 in less than 6 seconds, get another car. How often do you drag the car next to you at the light?
#3477 of 5443 Wait for '04? Or go with '03?
Jan 26, 2003 (3:25 pm)
Well, it depends.
LIKELY (but no guarantees changes to '04:
1. 3.3L engine, more hp, maybe 20 more lbs. torque.
2. Radio controls on steering wheel.
If they boost the hp, maybe 1 notch up in tire width.
The above is all speculation. It'd be nice if they also added power telescoping to the steering wheel, and added that to memory, but maybe that gets too close to the LS? Who knows.
IF more hp, the added torque MAY reduce the amount of downshifting needed, which MAY reduce any hesitation problems.
I test-drove the '03 twice, just driving fairly normally, which for me is fairly brisk but smooth -- not hard-charging. Car had plenty of pickup -- for me.
I want to say it's easier for, say, Honda to crank their 3L up to 240hp (on regular, no less) than it is for Lexus, since the ES 300 has to be tuned for a quieter and smoother ride, and for the ULEV emission rating that Lexus covets.
BUT -- big but -- Honda's engine also is ULEV rated. So I think Lexus has to respond. They have to keep their lux car a notch ahead of mass market cars like Accords, in ALL areas, not just interior appointments, comfort and ride quality. This means staying at least in the neighborhood horsepower wise. And if Hondas have steering wheel radio controls...
Of course, Lexus HQ may disagree with me. )
#3478 of 5443 Honda's 3.0L 240 hp Accord engine
Jan 26, 2003 (5:13 pm)
is LEV certified, as per the website and Accord brochure. The 160hp 2.4L, however, is ULEV.
Jan 26, 2003 (8:30 pm)
I got the ULEV from the '03 Accord brochure. The photo of the engine block showed "3.0 VTEC ULEV" on the valve cover.
The text underneath says "...select V-6 models are Ultra-Low-Emission Vehicles (ULEV.)3"
The footnote tells the tale, though. It says -- in microscopic type -- "ULEV-rated on V-6 models available in CA, MA, ME, NY and VT."
I guess everyone else gets plain, old LEV engines.
I wonder if there's any difference in drivability, throttle response, or horsepower ratings between the ULEV and LEV versions of the engine.
My personal bias is to get the engine, throttle and transmission working smooth with no hesitation, then dial in all the ULEV you can, if you can. But if you can't, don't screw up the drivability to get the rating.
#3480 of 5443 Pesky Annoying Hop and Shake
Jan 26, 2003 (10:45 pm)
Hi, I originally posted this in ES 300 problems, but then saw this board discusses problems and gets a lot more traffic. So, I'm posting here too. I apologize for any inconvenience.
Recently bought a '96 Coach Edition Cream Puff (40,000 miles on it) that my mechanically inclined dad picked out from his friends at Lexus dealer in New Orleans. All seemed fine with car when hubby and I first drove it around for 2 days. Then I got injured and couldn't drive. Hubby drove car back to Chicago. When I got behind wheel, car wasn't right -- overally responsive to road, made popping noise during slow turns and had a shutter and hop. Before we could get it to dealer b/c of holidays, we got a flat tire too - 2 nails in it. Got flat repaired at gas station.
Took car to dealer for other problems. Tires were WAY overinflated (thanks hubby) and rear sway bar bushings were dirty. So, afterwards, the car was not so too overly responsive to road and less noise on turns. But it still seems to drift to left when in left lane of Xpressway and have to hold steering wheel in slight, slight correction so as not to drift off side of the road. Still makes bit on noise when turning and backing out of garage but not on forward turns.
But, the thing that really annoys me is that pesky hop and shudder remained -- almost like I was riding a horse, but not quite as severe. So I took it back to dealer. They let me drive around with the tech who worked on my car and he said while he knows what I'm talking about from other cars he just doesn't feel it in my car and tried to blame it on the roads. I told him that, yes, I was really sensative but that I had driven it on the expressway and city roads and smoother suburban roads and it was there all of the time. It seems to be worst when accelerating from 25 to 45. And I told him about the repaired tire. So, they tried to fix it by balancing the wheels, which they said were off by 10%, and gave it to me to drive around and see.
So, after the wheels were balanced, I drove around and the pesky hop and shudder were still there. So my dad suggested that, since we have a brand new spare in the trunk, we put that on to replace the repaired tire and see if that did the trick. It didn't.
So, does anybody have any suggestions? I know it seems like a minor complaint, but we have had the car less than two months and I saved up for years for it and got to drive it when it was pristine for 2 DAYS!!