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Lexus ES 300, Lexus ES 330, Sedan
#3189 of 5443 Another '02 ES Review
Sep 20, 2002 (4:04 pm)
More '02 ES reading material on Edmunds...
2002 Entry-Level Luxury Sedan Comparison Test
Linked on their main page.
"Before we plugged all of the numbers collected during this comparison into a calculator, various editors had predicted that the Lexus would be the winner of this test. And why not? It seemed the quintessential entry-level luxury sedan, with its posh cabin and quiet ride. On the basis of most scoring categories, things looked good for the ES 300: it was by far the sedan editors would most recommend to the average buyer with a score of 96 percent; it earned the highest cumulative score on editors' 23-point evaluations (by a narrow margin over the Passat W8); and it had the best coverage on our list of Top 10 Features for entry-luxury sedans — eight of the 10 were either standard or optional. Ultimately, though, the ES could not overcome the performance advantage of the Passat, or the stronger engine and lower price of the I35, and had to settle for a tie with the latter"
Sep 20, 2002 (4:08 pm)
The new engine for the ES should give it a little boost to overpower the G35, it's second place counterpart.
#3191 of 5443 kreativ, texas83, mccloskey
Sep 20, 2002 (11:26 pm)
Kreativ: thanks for your input re using different gears. Btw, a long time ago, I was the first person to post on this message board about this transmission problem (I didn't realize that that's what it was at the time), and you just outright thumbed it down, even though at the time, you only drove your ES five miles a week. Anyway, based on my recent ridiculous phone call w/ one bad-attitude, rude Lexus Customer Service rep by the name of DANIEL S. MURPHY, I now feel more compelled than ever to create a paper trail of all issues about the transmission and the car generally.
Speaking of which, TEXAS83: good for you for taking the pain in the rear effort to file complaints with two state offices. I will likely do something similar in California and nationally. That transmission problem has put me in potential danger more than once, and once was enough.
Mccloskey: well, I guess I personally wouldn't go so far as to compare the interior of a Lexus to the interior of a Maybach.
#3193 of 5443 kreativ - Interior of older SC300
Sep 21, 2002 (5:20 am)
Actually, interiors don't seem to change that much. And the age of a car does not necessarily correlate to the opulence of the interior, although of course the fancy wing ding gadgets change as technology improves. But it is surprising how slowly the technology really does change.
Then and now, SC300/400s run well over $50,000 and the comparitive niceness of the respective interiors make the 35K ES300 seem like a real bargain.
By the way, I still think the older SC300/SC400s are among the most beautiful cars on the road.
Sep 21, 2002 (12:19 pm)
I've had an LS400 and SC400 in the past (still have the LS), and I think the interior of the new ES outdoes both of them quite nicely. It's missing some luxury features like telescoping steering wheel and there are a couple items here and there that feel cheap (e.g. the odometer/TripA/TripB button), but overall, it feels more luxurious. I'm hoping for the same sort of transformation in the GS line when it's redesigned for '04.
Sep 21, 2002 (2:53 pm)
I think it is interesting that even though the ES300 ineteriorwise (?) outshines earlier SCs and LSes, it is still compared to the Camry more often than it is the other Lexuses. I do NOT think the new Camry XLE interior outshines that of the older SCs
#3196 of 5443 RE: Trinbago
Sep 21, 2002 (2:57 pm)
I am also in the market for an ES300 (2002 or 2003)... Anyone knows the best deal in NY/NJ/Philadelphia area? Please send it to hakpoonhotmail.com
#3197 of 5443 First Oil Change - Etc.
Sep 21, 2002 (3:04 pm)
Mileage on my ES300 reached 3,448 miles and I changed the oil/filter yesterday afternoon and it was a breeze. The oil filter was snap to change - I used a new OEM filter (DENSO) and Mobil-1 5W30. As I noted before, there is a small 'tray' attached to the engine just below the oil filter to direct any remaining oil in the filter away from the engine and other components. Overall, this was the tidiest oil change I have ever done. The ES300 is now ready for another 3,500 miles of service.
HK2LA - I didn't mean to compare the interior of the 2K2 ES300 with that of the Maybach. They are horses of a different color for sure. I consider the interior of the ES300 to be beautifully done in comparison to the other vehicles in the 'near luxury' class. The Maybach interior raises the bar on opulence into the heavens!
Happy motoring to all -
M. J. McCloskey
#3198 of 5443 Camry vs. ES
Sep 21, 2002 (4:41 pm)
From the comparison review...
"Why buy an ES 300 over a loaded Camry XLE V6 that costs several thousand dollars less and can be equipped with many of the same features? Because you seek the former's higher level of luxury inside the cabin; the greater powertrain and chassis refinement, which yields a silent cabin and a plusher ride; more distinctive exterior styling and a sufficient level of luxury to see you through encounters with important clients and judgmental relatives."
"Is the I35 more of a Maxima than the ES 300 is a Camry? Yes. Nearly everything's the same right down to the sheet metal and nonindependent rear suspension."
"Yes, the Lexus ES 300 is based on a Toyota Camry, but there's enough of a luxo-feel to the Lexus to warrant its price premium. You don't get that with the Infiniti."