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You are in the Lexus ES
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Lexus ES 300, Lexus ES 330, Sedan
Aug 09, 2002 (10:30 am)
You knew this was coming
I'm not quite sure I agree with your assessment that this car has "lots of bugs."
Yes, it does seem that some people appear to have a slight hesitation in their transmission. That is the only problem I have read about in the 10 months this car has been out.
My car has no transmission problem, so I can't comment on what others are experiencing. But if what they say is true, that does not mean the car has "lots of bugs." That would be one bug.
Check out the BMW 7 Series boards and you'll see what "lots of bugs" really means. Further, check out the new Car & Driver - a guy writes in that not only does his 745i have lots of problems, BMW told him he should expect these things. After that you can read the Mercedes C-Class board and all the problems with that car. And if I had time, I'd tell you about the myriad of problems (both mechanical and dealer-related) two of my coworkers have endured with their new Audis.
Having owned a 1995 ES 300 prior to my 2002, I can say this car is far superior to my old one (which was a great car too) in every way. If there were any type of problem I would be the first to admit it. But my car has stellar so far. Enough so that two of my friends have bought them also.
Although some people are unhappy with their purchase, that probably happens with every car. I just haven't experienced or read enough evidence to think that Lexus' reputation is tarnished. And compared to BMW, Mercedes and Audi Lexus is still world's ahead in quality.
Your opinion is certainly valued, but I repsectfully disagree.
(Don't be too harsh on your reply!)
Aug 09, 2002 (1:58 pm)
bartalk2, Any reasonable person would expect the shocks for AVS equipped cars to be more expensive. After all the AVS shocks do have more mechanical and some electrical parts that probably go with them. I wouldn't call that a bug.
SO far, it seems like the tranny issue is the only big issue. And therefore that is one bug.
Aug 09, 2002 (3:32 pm)
Do you really think you are getting a fair all around opinion about the ES300? Naturally you are going to here about all the complaints and nitpickers in this forum. The majority of the owners and I happen to be one of them are ecstatic about the 02 ES300. I have tried to figure out what all the transmission talk is about but mine shifts perfectly. Overall it is the best car I have ever owned. I have 1000 miles and 2 months with the car and my wife and I love it.
#3006 of 5443 lenscap - Opinion
Aug 09, 2002 (4:11 pm)
Lenscap, I agree with your opinion. Judging by this board, there is only one bug - the transmission.
In fact the complaints on this board indicate what a good car it really is. I'd give the ES300 board the award for citing the nitpickingest complaints of any other car!!
1) Someone on this board said the leather was stiff. WHAT!!!! Geez, Louise. If the leather were any softer, people would be complaining about how squishy it is. And it certainly would not hold together at the stitching line.
2) There has been about one half a page dedicated to 1/4" misalignment on the dash design. Really. If we dedicate space on our board complaint for a 1/4" misalignment, then that in itself indicates that the car is close to perfect.
3) Noise? Goodness, the noise level has been MEASURED, for goodness sake, and PROVEN lower than other vehicles.
I think my car is close to perfection. I don't even have a "power" problem. In fact, I am more concerned that during the course of my ownership the gas situation in this country will cause me to wish I had a Corolla or something like that.
I am one happy camper with my vehicle.
#3007 of 5443 kreativ - LS and GS similarity
Aug 09, 2002 (4:21 pm)
Yes, kreativ, I read a complaint on the LS board where the symptom sounded exactly like mine. Shuddering, jerkinesss, delay all are descriptions of the same problem.
Interestingly enough, the LS owner was wondering why she was the only one who felt the problem. No one else on the LS board mentioned it or responded to her complaint. Since the message was written 2001, I did not respond.
I have no doubt the problem was there in the LS. And that makes me not feel so bad, if my only problem is also in the LS. It raises my hope that they will fix it in the ES300. If they do, I will smile a lot because I will feel that I have the perfect car.
Aug 09, 2002 (5:11 pm)
This issue may be hard to spot because I've noticed in my LS that it's difficult to reproduce. For some reason, I've only experienced it on the same stretch of road. Perhaps the way I drive there (certain speed, letting off gas at certain area, etc.) is what is needed to reproduce this issue. Anyways, it's been over a year since the last time I experienced that.
Keep in mind this is a first-gen LS. If we are in fact talking about the same issue, I wouldn't expect a fix for it anytime soon if owners of newer LS and GS, as well as the '02 ES in your case, experience the same thing.
#3009 of 5443 Atoews and Kreativ
Aug 10, 2002 (6:58 am)
Atoews, did you hear from Lexus as yet? I also posted a leter on planetfeedback.com. I am sure they are going to try to maintain thet car was desigened this way, this is what we bought so there is no problem.
Kreativ, can you email me some for info on your friends experience regarding your post #2822? Thanks!
#3010 of 5443 Seat Comfort
Aug 10, 2002 (7:48 am)
movingup and mccloskey - did not mean to denegrate or diminish your opinions.
As far as seat comfort goes, Consumer Reports reported that some longer legged drivers find a lack of support in the seats. I myself find them wickedly comfortable, and so do most of my passengers.
As far as stiffness of leather goes, it is much softer and more pliable than that of the Camrys and Solaras I test drove.
I think the leather is the same as that in the higher end Lexuses, isn't it, kreativ?
#3011 of 5443 kymmy123 - Did not hear back
Aug 10, 2002 (8:11 am)
But I really don't expect to. I have spoken with several employees of various Lexus dealers. The answer differs depending upon who answers the question. I'd accuse them of giving me the runaround, but their responses run along the range of those you hear on this board.
The majority of employess (salesman, fleet managers, service department personnel) say they haven't heard of, or felt the problem. (Makes sense, because most on this board don't seem to feel it.) Some say yes, it is there, but it is no big deal - not worth making a huge complaint about. (Not surprising either, since some on this board express the same sentiment.) And a minority say they really hate it.
Bottom line is this: Since the majority of owners don't have the problem, those of us who want the problem fixed need to complain loudly and clearly and in as many forums as we can. How Lexus responds to me or whether they respond personnally doesn't really matter. As an owner who has no desire to sell my car, my only concern is whether Lexus provides a fix.
Of course, if you are in the position where a response will determine whether or not you will make a purchase, you want resolution ASAP.
Aug 10, 2002 (8:24 am)
I guess I concluded that the ES300 was troublesome because Lexus standards are so high, one expects their cars to be 100% perfect, so anything less seems surprising. It's all a matter of expectations. This is obviously unrealistic on my part. With other cars, when you hear about problems, you're not surprised. Problems with Audis, MB, VW, even BMW--that's to be expected. On a level playing field, I guess, Lexus' record is still quite amazing.
Problems with the BMW 7 Series even made "All Things Considered." To do simple things like turn on the radio you have to scroll through a half dozen menus or something. Talk about computer overkill. Whatever happened to the old fashioned and remarkably user friendly...knob???