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You are in the Lexus ES
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Lexus ES 300, Lexus ES 330, Sedan
Jun 27, 2002 (6:08 am)
I personally would stay away from the I35. It was designed and built during Nissan's period of cost-cutting. Although well-built, it has many cheaper elements (such as non-independent 4-wheel suspension). Plus, the car is being dropped for sure in the next year or two. Who wants a discontinued car?
The TL is a very nice car for the money. If the ES 300 is a bit too much for what you want to spend, or you want something sportier, I think the TL is a great choice.
By the way, remember all the criticism heaved on Lexus for not boosting the ES 300's power when it was introduced last fall (which does not bother me)? Well, look at Mercedes' two newest models. Both the all-new 2003 E320 and CLK320 are about one full second slower 0-60 than their 2002 counterparts. Their times have dropped to around the 8.0-second range, mostly because the cars have the same engines but are heavier than before.
Jun 27, 2002 (8:55 am)
Congratulations on your new ES300! It will serve you well, especially compared to that Jaguar. Is there any reason you chose it over the ES300 in the first place?
Jun 27, 2002 (3:26 pm)
When I was shopping for a replacement for my '98 Audi A4 Quattro last fall, I knew I didn't want another Audi, but I sure wanted the 4WD. So I narrowed my choices down to the X-Type and the BMW 325xi. I chose the X-Type for it's uniqueness - just to have a Jaguar at that price, I guess, and it's better interior appointments and style. The BMW rode more harshly than the Jag - it was more like the Audi, and I wanted a softer ride. Plus, while I was impressed by the BMW overall, I wasn't impressed that much by the local dealership here. I was worried about the service dept. and a co-worker had a bad experience with their 325xi - bad drive train, and they weren't treated that well. I *thought* I was going to get treated like a Jaguar owner, too, by Scott Jaguar here in Charlotte. (Boy, was that a joke!) The topper was this: I left the brochures for both the X-Type and the 325xi on my desk at work. All the gals just went goo-goo over the Jag, and almost all of them just ignored the BMW. Well, I'll never make that mistake again. From my experience so far, I should have stayed in the Toyota family when I traded my '92 Celica for that Audi A4 and gotten a Lexus at that time! I had a '88 and '92 Celica and only had one problem with the car and one problem with the dealer's serivce dept. in all those 10 years. But, in '98 they still hadn't upped the power in the Celica and I wanted a bit more zoom, and the '98 Celica's driver's cockpit had become more cramped (don't know if it was just me or the car <g>).
#2836 of 5443 Transmission
Jun 28, 2002 (11:07 am)
Well... I've posted this before, but really feel I need to drive it home to any buyers possibly considering this car. There are so many really nice things about the car... interior, smooth ride, stereo, etc. But, I consider this a dangerous car because the transmission is such junk. I've read so many postings of how others are trying to drive in different gears, or do something to enhance the defective problem, but the fact is a new car, especially a Lexus, should drive off the lot in good condition. Plain and simple, when you hit the gas the car should move.
As the Lexus dealer explained it to me, the computer system does not allow the engine to communicate properly with the transmission. It requires a software fix. That's exactly my problem. Whether I'm driving up the various floors of my parking garage at work, or most notably, when I need power for lane changes, there is a terrible delay. I can hit the foot feed and watch the RPM's go to 6000 and the car barely moves. Three instances have caused me concern. Once, I was stalled in traffic and saw an opening to move to the lane next to me. I hit accelerator and nothing happened. By the time I moved into the lane the oncoming car really had to hit their brakes. Another time I was approaching an intersection as the light was turning yellow. Thinking I could safely move thru the intersection, I hit the gas and nothing happened. That light was soooo red when I went thru that intersection. Most recently I was coming out of a grocery store parking lot needing to cross the road thru on coming traffic. Thinking I had plenty of time, I hit the gas, the RPM's went up and nothing happened. Cars had to slow to let me thru. To make matters worse, the stupid car downshifts after you accelerate. And, occassionally it sticks in a gear and I have to hit the foot feed to make it shift. Plainly, the transmission is garbage and Lexus has said they may not have a fix for six months. Don't buy this car until they do.
Jun 28, 2002 (1:02 pm)
Have you tried another '02 ES to see whether it has the same issue as yours? '02 ES loaners from the dealer are good for this purpose.
Enough bad publicity from those unhappy with the new transmission should speed up the time it takes to get a fix out.
#2838 of 5443 texas83 - I don't understand.....
Jun 28, 2002 (5:34 pm)
I don't understand why you and I and rtorreca (???) and slaing obviously are feeling the same symptoms, and have had the dealers tell us that the design is the problem and that rtorreca drove a loaner and felt the same problem but WHY the majority of owners feel nothing.
This is my frustration. It makes absolutely no sense to me. Unless you and I and rtorreca are willing to sell our vehicles at a loss (you may have noticed that rtorreca is ready to do just that), how will we EVER resolve the transmission issue if the majority do not feel the problem?
#2839 of 5443 Is Mark Levinson just too powerful !??
Jun 29, 2002 (5:45 am)
I have an issue here. Mark Levinson is a great audio system. I think everyone agrees on that. However, because it is so powerful, sometimes the interior parts can't handle the bass. Did anyone of you experience the same issue? In my car, when the bass is really loud, I can hear some noise coming from the right passenger side. It sounds like some interior parts are shaking because of the bass. Under normal circumstances they are ok. Tk_Det, do you have the same issue? If anyone of you have the same experience please respond. thanks.
#2840 of 5443 '98 ES300 - Size of Rims/Tires
Jun 29, 2002 (5:57 pm)
Someone is selling some 16" GS300 rims with 215/60 R16 OEM tires on eBay. I have a '98 ES300 and I think they will fit, but I'm not sure. Anyone ever tried to fit tires of this size on an ES300? Will there be any clearance issues, and if so, are there any alternatives? The rims and tires are in excellent condition, and I'd like to bid on them. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
#2841 of 5443 Adjustable pedals
Jun 30, 2002 (1:01 am)
I read way back in September '01 that '02ES made in Jan '02 and on will have adjustable brake and gas pedals. Just curious if any of you who own a newer '02 ES have noticed and/or tinkered with this feature.
Jun 30, 2002 (4:08 am)
I've driven two loaners now and I noticed the problem in one just as bad as mine and in the other I didn't really notice it. One thing I have noticed is a lot of people will accept things that are subpar just because they don't want to deal with the hassel of getting things fixed. So I imagine many people are having the same problem but just dealing with it. I guess I'm not one to settle, and like you have considered selling the car. A brand new car shouldn't have these problems. I've seen the new Infinity G-35 and don't know much about it, but sure think it looks good.
I will say that the dealer and Lexus recognize the problem so some others are complaining. I guess I'll have to deal with it for now cuz I don't want to buy another car. To protect others, I'll spread as much bad publicity as I can. The more trouble it causes Lexus, the sooner they will move on it.