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You are in the Lexus ES
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Lexus ES 300, Lexus ES 330, Sedan
May 02, 2002 (3:23 pm)
Bredemann Lexus is in Glenview, IL. For what it's worth, I think they've won the Elite award nine years in a row (or something like that).
As for your questions:
1. I have noticed no transmission glitches at all. The car shifts much smoother than my 1995 ES 300.
2. I do not have a problem with the acceleration. The car is a little faster than my old car. Sure I wish it had more power, but it's not like I'd be racing all over the place anyway.
3. Again, the car has much less body roll in turns than my 1995. But, the car does not handle like a BMW 3-Series. However, as I've said my girlfriend's dad has a 2001 BMW 740iL. I've driven the car and there is nearly as much roll as my car. The 7-Series (at least the 2001) must not be as sports-oriented as other BMWs. In short, the body roll to me is not a problem as the car is well controlled.
Overall, I really can't say enough about the car. I really do love it. And I saw that sales of the ES 300 for April were over 6,000 units (tops among its competitors), meaning the car is clearly popular with buyers in this price range.
#2613 of 5443 ES or RL?
May 02, 2002 (4:45 pm)
fredvh, have driven both TL and TL-S. TL not too bad but shape unimpressive imho, good value overall. TL-S really zoomed (has excellent "grin-factor" on my spreadsheet). Again, good value, but a little too bumpy for my liking, will be sensible backup decision if budget tight.
sliang, comments appreciated - its going to be a close call, probably based on how I'm treated by dealer(s) in final days.
Someone said (think on this board) they felt the higher dash and beltline, hence somewhat reduced external vision gave them a sense of "being surrounded by luxury" inside. Obviously a personal issue, but is this really a common perception? Clearly understand sedans wont offer SUV type vision, but have an issue with sportscar type seating. ES owners ok with their vision?
May 02, 2002 (5:06 pm)
Thanks for your observations. I think a Lexus Elite (dealership) award does mean something, not something accorded to every dealer who uses the post office.
I test drove the ES300 some time ago, and I think one of the most extraordinary things about the car is its silence--incredibly quiet. I think Toyota/Lexus has really mastered the art/science of sound insulation. Even Consumer Reports says about the noise level, "world class."
I'm surprised at your observations about the BMW740i. I would expect real sports car handling.
#2615 of 5443 ramzak - congratulations on your deal.
May 02, 2002 (7:01 pm)
Seems like a good one to me.
When I first ordered mine, (Feb 2002), the dealers told me that Lexus had stepped down production because of Sept 11 ramification fears. The Sept 11 issue did not result in the predicted lessening of demand, which did result in a shortage.
I would not be surprised if production is increasing again, with the associated price drop. Sam's Club predicted that the price might drop this spring.
Anyway, like lenscap, I love my car. Hope you and tiger8 love yours when you get them.
#2616 of 5443 monthly sales by model
May 03, 2002 (8:54 am)
Lenscap you mentioned that the April sales for the ES was 6000 units. Do you know of a website that lists the monthly sales for each car model sold? I once had a site like this bookmarked but I have since lost the website address.
May 03, 2002 (10:58 am)
I just go to prnewswire.com and check the manufacturers' press releases.
#2618 of 5443 Bought a new ES300! :) (DE/PA/NJ/MD)
May 04, 2002 (6:22 am)
Well, last night I got home with my shiny new ES300, with only 6 miles on the odometer and that great new car smell!
I haven't seen anyone in my area recommend any dealers yet, so I thought you might like to know what I found (since I KNOW there are probably people lurking on these boards in my area who are just too shy to type)!
I ended up buying from Wilkie Lexus in Haverford, PA. They gave me the best offer for the new car ($2000 off MSRP) AND the best offer for my trade-in ($400 over Blue Book). Wilmington (Delaware) Lexus wouldn't come within $400 of the offer made by Wilkie, even when I told them I'd buy it from them if they could match the price (and they even went so far as to say that Wilkie was "putting on over on me" because that price is "impossible")! Cherry Hill (NJ) Lexus was the worst - they took 3-4 days to return my emails (after the other dealers got back to me within 24 hours), and when they finally did call (even though I told them I preferred email) the message they left told me the MSRP and offered no discount of any kind! When I did call, they left me hold for 5 minutes, before I got tired of waiting and hung up. Cherry Hill obviously didn't seem in any hurry to make a deal.
The other dealers in my area (I visited 6 in all) all were in the middle. They gave a some discounts, but wanted me to bow down and kiss their feet for it because they're "Lexus" and "we don't do that." I laugh at that thinking! Just because someone has the money to afford a luxury car doesn't mean he wants to waste it and pay MSRP! How do they think we got to have money in the first place?!? Not by paying full price for everything!!
Anyway, I should point out that after Wilkie Lexus gave me the great deal, I didn't hear the end of it. They kept telling me how their own wives don't get that much off on the car, and so on.
What I found interesting was how they handled the trade-in (which I haven't seen much talk of on these boards). Wilmington Lexus had two guys go outside and look at it from EVERY angle in the sunlight, scrutinizing every small dent and detail, and then took it for a test drive. Then they looked at it some more. Then they came inside and told me I had $500 of body damage, due to a few scratches, so they offered me $600(!) below Blue Book for it. And when I told them about my 4 BRAND NEW tires, they guy laughed and said "Well of COURSE it has to have tires! We can't give you anything for that!" By contrast, Wilkie (in Haverford, PA), just sent out one guy to basically glance at the car for 30 seconds and then come back inside and they offered me $400 OVER Blue Book. The other dealers tended to be more like the more extreme Wilmington example. Which is what I liked so much about Wilkie. The whole process of getting a quote took 15 minutes total, while every other dealer kept me in there for 1-1.5 HOURS!
Anyway, if you're in the PA/DE/NJ/MD area don't be afraid to drive around a little if you want to save yourself $1000. Not bad for an afternoon's drive...
OH, and one more thing. I've read all about the various transmission/accelleration/noise problems people have been having on these boards, and I can say that so far (after 50+ miles) I've experienced NONE of these problems. This car runs like a dream and when I hit the gas is very responsive! I got exactly what I bargained for!
...now I just have to get through reading the 500 oages of manuals that came with the car!
May 04, 2002 (10:10 pm)
thanks for the links to the sales data lenscap and gambiaman!
#2621 of 5443 ramzak tiger 8
May 06, 2002 (7:54 pm)
I got my Lexus ES in October
Mild --and I mean non-trivial observation when the car goes below 50, it downshifts slightly strongly but it runs so smoothly it is not a problem
Regarding, acceleration, it is faster than my 2000 which I had before
Very quiet and definitely a great package--the sound system is great
Other gripe was mileage--it seems after two servicings--1000 and 5000, it seems to have improved-doe snot give ever more than 26 , so do not expect 29
Overall a happy owner--I am considering buying ES as mys econd car as well--hoping in a yr or two a coach edition will come out with 3.3L engine
I would say IMHO--you will be a happy owner