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You are in the Lexus ES
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Lexus ES 300, Lexus ES 330, Sedan
Mar 27, 2002 (10:23 am)
Of course I'll tell you how great I think the 2002 ES 300 is. I love the car. And it is a huge improvement over my 1995 ES 300. In addition to all the new amenities, the overall structure of the car is much more sound (and the 1995 wasn't bad). The 2002 is really like a baby LS 430, whereas I couldn't necessarily say that about my 1995. If you haven't already, I recommend taking one for a drive.
As for mileage, I've only driven about 350 miles with the 2002, so I can't comment on that yet. I never calcualted the mileage with my 1995, but I think it was around 20 in mostly stop-and-go driving.
I'm not sure about the mileage of the 5-speed vs. 4-speed, but the new transmission is smoother.
As for the other cars you're looking at, here's what I think (just one man's opinion):
1. Acura TL is a great car that is sportier than the Lexus and a little less expensive. My only hesitation would be that the car will be redesigned in a year or two. If that does not bother you this is a great car.
2. I would not buy an Infiniti I35. First, the car is being dropped in a year or two. Infiniti even states in their full-line brochure that all their cars in the future will be RWD or AWD, meaning the I35 is gone. That will kill the resale value. Second, I am just not impressed by this car. Remember, it was designed and built when Nissan was in a financial crisis, and the cost cutting is evident. Sales numbers give a good indication of what the market thinks of a car, and the I35 doesn't sell nearly as well as the ES 300 or TL.
3. I also love the Toyota Camry. The only thing you're giving up is the luxury-division image and service. If this is okay with you, you can't go wrong here.
4. The 2003 Accord will no doubt be a great car and probably sportier than the Camry. As with the Camry, if you're okay with the non-luxury dealer this is one of the best cars you can buy.
From a mileage standpoint all of the above cars should be close to each other. It just depends what excites you.
Good luck and let me know if you have any other questions.
#2395 of 5443 Driver seat back squeaks when pressed hard
Mar 27, 2002 (12:21 pm)
Don't know if others have similar problem, but the driver seat back on my 02 ES300 makes some squeaking noise when I lean hard against it. Took it to the dealer, and they had some seating expert in to repair it, but it's still there. In the end the dealer agree to swap it with another car. I also posted about a minor issue with the brake pedal making a clicking sound when released, I was told it's due to the brake pedal hitting the pedal stop (entirely normal). Indeed I tried a few other new ES300 (and even one LS430) and they all make that sound. Oh well, I guess Toyota isn't known for their brakes.
In response to an earlier post about driver position, I don't find it to be a problem myself. In fact, I find it a lot better than that of Acura TL. It provides ample headroom for a 6' guy like me.
This is my first Lexus, and so far I'm pretty impressed with the Lexus services.
Mar 27, 2002 (3:55 pm)
Ruggedland: Same problem with the seat on my Lexus. The dealer repaired it at the last service, not sure what he did, he picked up and returned the car, never asked what the cure was.
IMO the Lexus service department gives excellent service much better than the Toyota dealer with a previous Camry.
#2397 of 5443 Lexus Maintenance and Oil Changes
Mar 27, 2002 (5:53 pm)
The service offered by Lexus is good but they do find a way to charge for the free loaners and car washes. Charging $45.00 for an oil change and $99.00 if you add in a tire rotation and a check of fluid levels is rather hefty. The 15,000 mile checkup which includes the above plus some more inspect this, inspect that runs about $300. I was wondering if anyone has used the toyota dealers to perform much of the routine maintenance since they charge about 35 - 40% less for comparable service. Had an Acura TL before this ES and they were about the same on service cost as Honda while also providing loaners and washes.
Mar 27, 2002 (8:35 pm)
How did you like the 3.2TL? I am considering that auto along with the ES300? What year did you have? Any trouble? How does it compare to the ES?
#2399 of 5443 fredvh: Acura TL
Mar 27, 2002 (8:58 pm)
I had a 1998 TL (before model change): It ran absolutely perfectly: never even had an alignment, returned the car with the original tires after 39 months. Cost about $80 each time for maintenance. That's why I'm really pulled to Acura. I DO have an RX300, and that ran for 4yrs almost as well, except for much higher maintenance costs, and a second set of tires.
#2401 of 5443 fredvh Acura TL
Mar 28, 2002 (5:03 am)
I had a 99 TL for 3 years. Overall, I liked it slightly better than the 2001 ES I now have. I had not a single problem over the 30,000 miles I had it. The Acura was a little faster, and more fun to drive. Slightly less quiet than the lexus. Unfortunately, Acura does not put an 8 way power drivers seat on any of their cars for the passenger seat. Without being able to raise it up, it sits somewhat low and my wife would get a back ache when riding. I thought the drivers seat was much more confortable than the ES which I feel lacks some in thigh support. The ES does have the 8 way on the passenger side.
Mar 28, 2002 (8:21 am)
Did the 99 TL have the 5-speed? What kind of mpg were you getting on mostly highway driving? What mpg are you getting on the ES300?
Here is my dilemma: I prefer the ES300 but that will run, at least for now, around 35K and will include higher maintenance and higher insurance costs than the TL. The TL will cost approx. 29K, has slightly lower insurance and maintenance costs but the warranty is only 4/4 whereas the ES300 has 4/6.
Then the new Accord comes out in the fall of this year which certainly will be a worthwhile choice too since it will probably be better than the current Accord, which is still a fine automobile. Any opinions?