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You are in the Lexus ES
What is this discussion about?
Lexus ES 300, Lexus ES 330, Sedan
Mar 26, 2002 (7:06 am)
A few responses to your comments:
1. I am not married (have a girlfriend though), so nobody drives my car but me. Therefore, the only person that cares whether or not it's a Lexus is me.
2. I've driven the new Camry, and there is a difference. In particular, there is a huge difference with the AVS option, especially when it is set on the "sport" mode.
3. Why did I but the Lexus over the Camry? Here are just a few reasons:
- I much prefer the outside styling
- The Lexus interior in world's ahead of the Camry's in look and feel
- I wanted HID headlights
- Having owned a Lexus before, I love the service and treatment at the dealer
- I like being able to get a loaner car (a Lexus no less) for items as simple as an oil change so my schedule is not disrupted
I could go on, buy suffice it to say those are the major reasons.
4. As far as saying I drive a Lexus vs. any other car, I could really care less. I am not like that and really don't like people who are. You are dead wrong in inferring I would rather drive a Lexus than a Camry. That had NOTHING to do with my purchase. My life does not center around impressing others.
5. You're looking as the car as a nicer Camry. However, many people see it as a bargain compared to other luxury cars. My girlfriend's father has a 2001 BMW 740iL, and he actually likes my car better when the price is taken into consideration. Nicer interior, better NAV, better stereo, better dealer service, better build quality, etc. I'm not saying the ES 300 compares to a 740iL, but you get my point.
Anyway, I could go on, but suffice it to say I love my car, it was right for me, and that's that. If you don't like the car, that's fine too. But the car is selling well enough to prove that Lexus has hit the target with this car.
#2387 of 5443 New ES300 has poor drivers position...
Mar 26, 2002 (10:40 am)
I am interested in leasing the new ES300, sat in it while my RX300 was in the shop (excellent SUV), and came away perplexed. Due to the rake of the windshield and the high instrument panel, there was very little room to see out! I raised the seat enough to almost hit my head on the roof, and still felt restricted. My dealer said several other people (including one who sat in it after me!) complained, too. How can Lexus design cars this way? Has anyone else had this problem? I had to cross it off my list!
#2388 of 5443 driver side turn signal
Mar 26, 2002 (11:55 am)
As luck would have, my car is due for state inspection this month and my driver side turn signal is flashing quicker than the right. When I visually inspected the light, it is still working but it is dimmer than the passenger side. When you turn on the headlights, both sides have the same output. My problem is that when I tried to change the bulb, its impossible. There is also a technical service bulletin on signals flashing abnormally. My car is still under warranty, do you think the dealer will fix for free?
Mar 26, 2002 (2:43 pm)
I actually like the seating position of the ES 300, and I keep my seat as far down as possible.
For one, I can see out just fine. Second, the seating position, with the high dash, imparts a more luxurious feel. Cheaper cars (and this is not a knock on any car) typically have lower cowls and superior visibility.
It may all be what you're used to. When I get an RX 300 for a loaner I'm thinking how can someone drive this? But if I had one for a while I'd get used to it.
Mar 26, 2002 (2:44 pm)
If your car is still under the basic (so called "bumper to bumper") warranty, the dealer HAS to fix it for free. Maybe there is something I don't know about the Lexus warranty, but I thought "free" within the specified time/milage is what defines a warranty.
#2391 of 5443 when did ES300 get a facelift?
Mar 27, 2002 (5:15 am)
Did ES300 get a facelift in 2001, or 2002? Thanx.
Mar 27, 2002 (6:54 am)
The ES 300 received a facelift for the 2000 model year. That version was also sold in 2001. Then, of course, the all-new 2002 came out.
Revisions added to the 2000-01 models included:
1. Wood trim on the entire center dashboard
2. Revised tailights w/clear turn indicators
3. ES 300 badge moved from the trunklid to the taillight
4. Revised front bumper and grille
5. Newly optional HID headlights; if the car has them the headlight cluster is different than non-HID cars
6. Newly optional 16" wheels with a design different from the 15"
7. New-style rear seat headrests
There may have been more minor stuff but these changes were the more noticeable ones.
Hope this helps.
Mar 27, 2002 (9:43 am)
I am considering buying the 2002 ES300 or a used 2000, 2001 ES300. I see that you had both. How does the old generation compare to the new? What has been the mpg with the old vs. the new? Is the new 5-speed more economical than the old 4-speed or is there no difference? I am also considering the Acura 3.2TL, Infiniti I35, and the Toyota Camry and even the new (2003) Honda Accord. I would appreciate your thoughts on my concerns. I am sensitive to mpg based on what can happen at any time to the cost of gasoline.
Mar 27, 2002 (10:23 am)
Of course I'll tell you how great I think the 2002 ES 300 is. I love the car. And it is a huge improvement over my 1995 ES 300. In addition to all the new amenities, the overall structure of the car is much more sound (and the 1995 wasn't bad). The 2002 is really like a baby LS 430, whereas I couldn't necessarily say that about my 1995. If you haven't already, I recommend taking one for a drive.
As for mileage, I've only driven about 350 miles with the 2002, so I can't comment on that yet. I never calcualted the mileage with my 1995, but I think it was around 20 in mostly stop-and-go driving.
I'm not sure about the mileage of the 5-speed vs. 4-speed, but the new transmission is smoother.
As for the other cars you're looking at, here's what I think (just one man's opinion):
1. Acura TL is a great car that is sportier than the Lexus and a little less expensive. My only hesitation would be that the car will be redesigned in a year or two. If that does not bother you this is a great car.
2. I would not buy an Infiniti I35. First, the car is being dropped in a year or two. Infiniti even states in their full-line brochure that all their cars in the future will be RWD or AWD, meaning the I35 is gone. That will kill the resale value. Second, I am just not impressed by this car. Remember, it was designed and built when Nissan was in a financial crisis, and the cost cutting is evident. Sales numbers give a good indication of what the market thinks of a car, and the I35 doesn't sell nearly as well as the ES 300 or TL.
3. I also love the Toyota Camry. The only thing you're giving up is the luxury-division image and service. If this is okay with you, you can't go wrong here.
4. The 2003 Accord will no doubt be a great car and probably sportier than the Camry. As with the Camry, if you're okay with the non-luxury dealer this is one of the best cars you can buy.
From a mileage standpoint all of the above cars should be close to each other. It just depends what excites you.
Good luck and let me know if you have any other questions.
#2395 of 5443 Driver seat back squeaks when pressed hard
Mar 27, 2002 (12:21 pm)
Don't know if others have similar problem, but the driver seat back on my 02 ES300 makes some squeaking noise when I lean hard against it. Took it to the dealer, and they had some seating expert in to repair it, but it's still there. In the end the dealer agree to swap it with another car. I also posted about a minor issue with the brake pedal making a clicking sound when released, I was told it's due to the brake pedal hitting the pedal stop (entirely normal). Indeed I tried a few other new ES300 (and even one LS430) and they all make that sound. Oh well, I guess Toyota isn't known for their brakes.
In response to an earlier post about driver position, I don't find it to be a problem myself. In fact, I find it a lot better than that of Acura TL. It provides ample headroom for a 6' guy like me.
This is my first Lexus, and so far I'm pretty impressed with the Lexus services.