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You are in the Lexus ES
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Lexus ES 300, Lexus ES 330, Sedan
Feb 10, 2002 (2:27 pm)
I've read before that the 1997-01 ES 300 shared about 15-20% of their parts with the Camry, not 60-70%.
Also, the powertrain is different now since the ES 300 has a 5-speed and the Camry only a 4-speed. Further, on cars like mine with the AVS the suspensions are different (they may different without AVS but I'm not sure).
Speaking of ads, Lexus actually ran one about 10 years ago that was great re: BMW. It said something like: "Owning a BMW is a once in a lifetime experience. For most owners, once is enough." The ad referred to the fact BMW had one of the lowest loyalty (repurchase rates) in the luxury car class, while Lexus was the highest.
I'm not knocking BMWs. I think they're great for people who like sportier cars. But that ad had a fantastic headline.
#2379 of 5443 ES 300 vs BMW
Mar 25, 2002 (12:52 pm)
My wife just ordered the ES 300. She loves the ride, the luxury and the quiteness of the car, plus the NAV system. She currently drives my 740i Sport which she likes but tires of the tight firm ride. Once she drove the ES she fell in love with it. Yes it's power is no where near the BMW but it's good enough for her. She didn't consider the GS because we already have the BMW, she wanted a totally different ride. The NAV system on the Lexus is light years ahead of the BMW sad to say.
Summing up, it really depends on what kind of ride a person desires most.
#2380 of 5443 boring- but what can I expect to pay for a 2002 ES300
Mar 25, 2002 (6:57 pm)
Folks - I'm in the market for a 2002 ES300. The MSRP says $32,080 (include destination charge), but I call my local dealer (upsate NY), and was told to expect $38k. If any of you wouldn't mind sharing the info on what you paid for your ES300, and where you got it from, it would be extremely helpful to help me negotiating and making decision. Particularly folks in upstate NY and NJ area, your help would be greatly appreciated. Thank. WHH
Mar 25, 2002 (8:27 pm)
lenscap, what if (hypothetically) you blindfolded your wife had her drive both cars
(fully equipped) Camry and the ES one after the other.
Do you think she would "really" notice the difference? Could she tell that the ES had the 5-speed and "evs" whatever that is?
That one feels more quiet than the other?
Maybe it's just the Lexus badging that makes you think so. Because she'd rather tell her friends
and neighbors that "yes" I drive a Lexus rather
than a Toyota Camry.
Car companies are clever indeed in their marketing ploys and strategies.
Mar 25, 2002 (9:01 pm)
See post 2217..
You should know the car without a special order is built in basically two configuration. One without the Nav/ML Audio and one with. In all cases the car comes with leather. The MSRP is about 34,xxx(No Nav/ML) or about 38,xxxx(no VSC) to a little over 39K(with VSC).
Mar 25, 2002 (9:54 pm)
I'm seeing the "ES is a Camry with an L badge" comment again, just slightly reworded.
Telling between a Camry and an '02 ES blindfolded is too easy.
But why would you think of going blindfolded when the interior quality, luxury, and visual appeal help set the two apart?
It's like telling someone to not consider the power of the engine in a Porsche to make a comparison.
And yes, there certainly is a price to pay for the name brand alone...which applies to any luxury brand.
Mar 25, 2002 (10:07 pm)
Why don't YOU do it and let us know what you find.
Better yet, instead of starting crap with people who overwhelmingly love their cars, why don't you blindfold your wife and compare the BMW to the much less expensive Japanese sport sedans and let us know those results.
I find it amusing that you tried to rattle the cage with the ES's lack of performance....the owners here agreed with you. Than you go after the price difference....think it was shown there is some extra content for the extra 6K (not the 15K like someone mistakingly(?) reported.
Now it's a challenge that lexus owners couldn't tell the diff blindfolded between an ES and Camry.
You sir are here for one reason.....and it's called being a troll.
Go buy the BMW, it's what floats your boat.
#2385 of 5443 rdl40--weight of the car
Mar 25, 2002 (11:19 pm)
Are you kidding? If you test drive the Lexus ES 300 and a Toyota Camry and can't tell the difference, then you're a total and complete idiot. Blindfolded, you can feel the difference in weight. And the quietness and the smoothness and the power. And if you're not blindfolded, as you shouldn't be when driving, and you can't SEE the difference, then you really are blind and should not be driving at all.
I test drove the two (basic ES, loaded Camry), back to back, and your supposition is completely ludicrous.
Mar 26, 2002 (7:06 am)
A few responses to your comments:
1. I am not married (have a girlfriend though), so nobody drives my car but me. Therefore, the only person that cares whether or not it's a Lexus is me.
2. I've driven the new Camry, and there is a difference. In particular, there is a huge difference with the AVS option, especially when it is set on the "sport" mode.
3. Why did I but the Lexus over the Camry? Here are just a few reasons:
- I much prefer the outside styling
- The Lexus interior in world's ahead of the Camry's in look and feel
- I wanted HID headlights
- Having owned a Lexus before, I love the service and treatment at the dealer
- I like being able to get a loaner car (a Lexus no less) for items as simple as an oil change so my schedule is not disrupted
I could go on, buy suffice it to say those are the major reasons.
4. As far as saying I drive a Lexus vs. any other car, I could really care less. I am not like that and really don't like people who are. You are dead wrong in inferring I would rather drive a Lexus than a Camry. That had NOTHING to do with my purchase. My life does not center around impressing others.
5. You're looking as the car as a nicer Camry. However, many people see it as a bargain compared to other luxury cars. My girlfriend's father has a 2001 BMW 740iL, and he actually likes my car better when the price is taken into consideration. Nicer interior, better NAV, better stereo, better dealer service, better build quality, etc. I'm not saying the ES 300 compares to a 740iL, but you get my point.
Anyway, I could go on, but suffice it to say I love my car, it was right for me, and that's that. If you don't like the car, that's fine too. But the car is selling well enough to prove that Lexus has hit the target with this car.
#2387 of 5443 New ES300 has poor drivers position...
Mar 26, 2002 (10:40 am)
I am interested in leasing the new ES300, sat in it while my RX300 was in the shop (excellent SUV), and came away perplexed. Due to the rake of the windshield and the high instrument panel, there was very little room to see out! I raised the seat enough to almost hit my head on the roof, and still felt restricted. My dealer said several other people (including one who sat in it after me!) complained, too. How can Lexus design cars this way? Has anyone else had this problem? I had to cross it off my list!