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#21 of 5432 2002 Pricing by s852 Oct 10, 2000 (1:40 am)
Regardless of the MSRP, in the end the market will decide what the car will really sell for. If after seeing and driving it, if most buyers are willing to pay $33K for the new model loaded with the most common options (leather moonroof, heated seats, CD changer) and Lexus prices it at $35K at that equiptment level, then dealers will have to discount them to that price or else they will need to cut production to match the number of people willing to pay $35K. If MSRP is at right where people are willing to pay, then they will sell for MSRP. If the MSRP is lower, then dealers will be able to get a markup over sticker. I'm sure when they first come out, the combination of the initial novelty of the new model and the fact that the factory will not yet have ramped up to full production speed will result in poor deals for the first buyers.
#22 of 5432 HID Headlights by rob175 Oct 10, 2000 (5:25 pm)
So....does anyone feel that their HID's are set too low?......I do. It appears that mine are aimed about 30-40 feet in front. And, on dark roads at 55 mph it feels as though I'm not getting enough forward visiblity without kicking on the brights. Any thoughts?? Replies to this message: bholt (Jun 04, 2006 6:24 am) pai7 (Jun 08, 2006 4:47 pm)
#23 of 5432 2002 ES in showrooms next September by rolloman Oct 11, 2000 (5:45 pm)
Just back from test-driving an LS 430 at my Lexus dealer. He said the 2002 ES will be in showrooms by September. Sales Manager has seen some pix and everything he hears is that the ES will go through a pretty extensive change (like LS). Bigger interior, Standard HID lights, Lexus link system, etc. Might be sales hype, but I tend to believe him. Let us know if anyone finds any pix/info on the new ES on-line. Thanks
#24 of 5432 . by enigmaone Oct 11, 2000 (10:24 pm)
Of course the laws of supply and demand. If you're looking or hoping for the 2002 ES300 to be priced like a 3.2TL, stop hoping now.
#25 of 5432 Help, I am confused by liev Oct 12, 2000 (1:59 pm)
the sticker price for ES300 with VP and heated seat is about 35K but it is shown that 1500 was substracted from it already. It is shown that the MSRP is around 4500 for these options on the sticke. However, when I added the VP and the heated seat together it is only about 2900. First, I thought Lexus adds each option individually to come up with 4400 but still when I tried to do that the number still not that big. Further, if we by the car with the VP, why do we have to pay for each option in the package individually? I tried to bring this up, but the salesman keeps saying that the discount has been included. I feel that Lexus is cheating their consumer. Any advice or any thoughts on this? liev
#26 of 5432 The Price of Perfection by mafitch Oct 12, 2000 (5:57 pm)
Liev,        I just wanted to share some of my experience to maybe give you a little perspective on feeling "cheated". My mother drives a 2000 RX 300, my father drives a 2001 LX 470 and I have a 2001 ES 300 on order.... Each of us has paid below sticker (allowing the dealer fair profit of course) and in all of our experience with Lexus we have never been more satisfied. Once you own an automobile of this caliber you will understand. Yes it is an investment, yes it is expensive but in my experience, it is not possible to purchase so much car for the same or less money. Lexus goes to great lengths to satisfy their customers and it would be very difficult for them to do that if they were cheating people. In fact I would say it is hard for any car company to cheat their customers due to the fact that there are so many options available in the market today. Perhaps it is your dealer or maybe the way it is being explained is not in a manner that you are understanding. Regardless, it is probably wise to get a quote from another dealer or an internet buying service....compare numbers...see what happens. My advice is BUY THE CAR, by the time you get out of the parking lot, that feeling of being cheated will be a distant memory. Best wishes.
#27 of 5432 confused by sddlw Oct 12, 2000 (8:21 pm)
The dealer does not generate the MSRP window sitcker, so there is little chance of any deception there. It could very well be that the sales guy you were talking to was as confused as you were. Not many are rocket scientists. Take a pad of paper and jot down all of the numbers, then go to the new car part of Edmunds and compare numbers. You should find them essentially the same. You should not be "double charged". But where Edmunds lists the price of the Value Option Package after the discount, the window sticker shows a full retail price and then a separate discount, in the end, the same $$ out of pocket. If you can put off the purchase of your 2001 ES300 until January or a little longer, you should be able to get some really deap discounts as the current body style is phased out for the 2002s. Any 2000 cars ES300 cars left now should also be heavily discounted. Go back over the last 3 months worth of posts in this forum to follow several buyers negotiations (including my own. Posters struck deals in the $31-$32K for either a VP+extras or Platinum edition 2000 cars. Many tips and information sources were shared.
#28 of 5432 2002 ES300 by cdm2 Oct 12, 2000 (8:40 pm)
Hi: Does anyone know if the new 2002 coming next year is a totally brand new design from the ground up or is it just one of those major upgrade from the current model??? Any link that I can get to see a picture of it??? Thanks guys. BTW, I think Lexus cars have much better reliability than MB or BMWs.
#29 of 5432 cdm2 by scongro Oct 12, 2000 (10:22 pm)
In September of 2001 (or thre about) Lexus will release a new ES, redesigned from the ground-up, in the same way the LS was for 2001. Pictures and details are sketchy as of right now, but I have seen a camoflaged photo of what looks to be the new Camry. It has a little bit lower front end (I know, it's pretty low now). And yes, Lexus reliability is MUCH better than the Germans (and the english for that matter).
#30 of 5432 . by enigmaone Oct 12, 2000 (10:45 pm)
liev, The $1500 subtracted on the sticker price is not really a discount. Its basically marketing. What Lexus does is give the customer a $1500 discount by buying the Value package which has the options bundled in it. Otherwise, if you bought the options separately, you would spend $1500 more at retail price for each option. For example. No value package: Leather trim package: $1885.00 CD-changer: $1,080.00 Moonroof: $1,000.00 This totals to: $3,965.00 Now with the Lexus Value package all 3 of the above option package are lumped into one package for $1,965.00. Thereby this yields you a $2,000 savings, on the sticker price of the vehicle. The one trying to cheat you on the deal is your dealer, not Lexus NA. Don't fall for what your dealer says, of the discount already being there. Look at the MSRP vs. Invoice for a ES300 the way you want it equipped, with the Value package and heated seats(I think you want them?) not with each individual option.

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