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Lexus ES 300, Lexus ES 330, Sedan
#1520 of 5443 I agree...
Oct 04, 2001 (5:19 am)
with the post concerning the i35 interior. I went and looked at one this weekend following a post on this board. The intreior simply does not compare to a Lexus.
I also agree with the post concerning the headlights on the ES 300. They seem soemwhat out of place. I am hoping that Lexus is ahead of its time and the the design will grow on me. However, I like the GS headlight configuration far better.
Based on my invetsigation to date, I'm now considering buying a used 2000 ES 300. With the new model out, prices on used 300s are dropping and will continue to drop.
Oct 04, 2001 (7:24 am)
for the info on AVS and VSC. I'm not sure of availability of AVS here in the Pittsburgh area, but I can make do with my '93 Saab 900 until it's available. Since I keep cars for several years, there's no sense settling =)
My wife and I walked around an ES300 (sales people were too busy to help us) and she didn't like the high windows. Could anyone who has actually sat in the ES300 comment? Do you notice this design? It's probably a design fad that other car companies will soon emulate...
Seems like the interior is compensating for shortfalls in the exterior in the minds of many posts here. Nothing's perfect, I guess.
Oct 04, 2001 (7:50 am)
Maybe it's just me, but I actually love the exterior design as much as the interior. I think it's very distinctive and upscale-looking.
Oct 04, 2001 (7:58 am)
I also like the xterior as well as interior--I think it is not bland and makes a statement "I am different and elite"
I also want to point out--people often worry about just Hp numbers--well torque and hp are important together --also factors like whether you have five or four speed auto transmission, whether torque is available at low rpm (VVT-i gives 80% torque in just 1200rpm)--and body weight control the agility of the car
This way I-35 has 255 hp and lexus es 210--then how come 45 hp were not enough to be way ahead for i35-the fact is i35 is at 7.0 seconds 0-60 and es at probably 7.6 (official is at 8.2 but lexus is very conservative and I clocked this at test drive)
Also interior is so rich that you fall in love with the car--teh 3D gauges are so cool also
I would really suggest--don't go by just hp--it is a misleading number--I would much rather have 210 with 21/29 mileage than have 250 with 17/24
Oct 04, 2001 (8:16 am)
1 second is a HUGE difference 0-60. If you don't like the I35, that's fine. But the difference between 8 seconds to 60 and 7 seconds to 60 is a very big difference. I don't buy that the Es is really a 7.5 second car, either. If Lexus says it's 8.2, it might get down to 8.0, or even the high 7's, but they're not going to be that far off.
The ES does not get 21/29. According to Edmunds, it gets 19/26 EPA estimated mileage. And the I35's mileage is 20/26 (per Edmunds). I'd rather have 255 hp with 20/26 than 210 hp with 19/26 (which is the 2001 ES numbers, but it has the EXACT SAME ENGINE for 2002). But that's just me.
Oct 04, 2001 (9:18 am)
i respect your comments--But the lexus sticker says 21/29 and what you quote is last years
I like the I35 also but can't get both so everyone has personal priorities
I 30 engine was cvoted best engine for several years in a room--I think in quietness and comfort ES is better and hence more money too.
I do believe it is a quick car and one second goes by in a blink--I personally begin to notice a 0-60 diff only if it is 2+ or 3+
But hey we all should get what we like--i am sure Audi A4, CTS and X type and S60 would all have relative benefits--it is all what you like--i like quietness so Lexus is my favorite
By the way the second car I am eyeing is G35 which I think will be a success but that is another post
Oct 04, 2001 (9:39 am)
Well, I'll take your word for the ES's mileage, but you were trying to short-change the I35's mileage at the very least. I couldn't find any 2002 ES300 EPA mileage, so I took last year's since the engine has not changed.
Hey, I've always said to get whatever you want. Just don't spread slanted 'facts' around.
And 1 sec. is a BIG difference. Look at sports cars. If your car can go 0-60 in 6 sec. flat, it's pretty fast. If it can do it in 5 sec flat, it's extremely fast. Lots of cars can do 6.0, very few can do 5.0.
Oct 04, 2001 (10:06 am)
0-60 times are all relative. So much of it depends upon feel and how you drive.
Also, speed numbers are proportional. One second 0-60 means less the slower the cars. There is a bigger difference proportionally 0-60 between 5 and 6 seconds than 7 and 8 seconds.
A car which goes 0-60 in 6 seconds is 20% slower than a car that does it in 5 seconds.
But a car which goes 0-60 in 8 seconds is only 14% slower than a car that does it in 7 seconds.
What one driver likes is obviously very subjective.
Oct 04, 2001 (12:38 pm)
how much would you expect to pay for a 1998 es300 w/
about 30,000 miles. they seem to have alot of
them on the lot.
Oct 04, 2001 (1:05 pm)
I would pay around 17K personally given that 2000 can be had now for 25K, 2001 for 29K (new)