I own a 200o paltinu edition with 15K miles--I installed my own alpine 7 inch DVD nav --being platinum it had all the wood goodies though not as much as the new one--I am not compelled to say hey this is a steal at 38K--two things--(a) i would wait for a coach or platinum edition-you really get a great value (b) I would wait for teh hp to go up--I have sneaky suspicion it will go up as earlya s next yr --maybe an ES330 with 225/235 hp--did someone compare the Lexus numbers on the site on 0-60? The 2001 sprints at 7.8 but 2002 is at 8.1 official estimates--HMMMMM
Remember earlier also ES300 went up from 19o hp to 210--- I think it will be a better value at 34-35K loaded with 230+ hp and a platinum/coach exclusivety
My personal advice is no need to rush--waiting will get a better bargain
Waiting for a car just gets you nothing. The only thing I would wait for is a redesign, which just happened.
What if you hold out hoping for more hp and then it doesn't happen? Then you've waited for nothing. Or maybe a discount will come around, but it's offset by a price increase.
And the Coach/Platinum editions, if they even have one, will only come out after several years once interest in the car declines as it gets further into its model cycle. By that time you might as well wait for the next generation.
If you try to buy a new model within the first weeks, you pay more because of the novelty of the new model and the fact that production is not up to speed and supplies will therefore be low.
If you wait for the initial rush to pass and factories to start pumping the cars out at full tilt, then there will be more choice and better price.
You also get to see results of government and insurance crash testing before commiting to the purchase and are more likely to avoid the hassles of any recalls that may happen.
If you wait a whole year, you get the benefits of any fixes and improvements to problems that turn up the first year. You also get to read hundreds of posts about problems owners discover that are not apparent on a 10 minute test drive and may not be fixed until the next year, if ever.
The design of the '02 ES300 has grown on me. If you've already seen spyshots of the '02 Camry, I think the ES300 design severs any discussion about it looking like the Camry. The Camry is edgy and rotund, the ES300 is sleek and refined.
I get a kick reading postings about the ES300 not having enough power than a TL or I30. If that's the case, QUIT YOUR WHINING and go buy an Acura or Infinity! You'll get a cheap and gaudy interior with less than stellar customer service with both. I had and got rid of the current I30 and it screamed "cheap" everytime I looked at the circular analog clock in the middle of the dashboard. I also couldn't tell it apart from a Maxima.
hmm, maybe you should not be so quick and hasty on your opinion (pro or con) of the ES300 and reserve your judgement on it until you actually see it in person and drive it. Maybe if you spent some more time doing research on a car before you made any rash decisions you wouldn't have bought your I30 in the first place.
first off, thanks Edmunds for being one of the
first to present the roadtest of the new ES.
you guys are good!! can't find it in any
competitor's site accept familycar.com
I think the all new ES is a serious stylish
statement by Lexus inside and out. Sure it
may not be as revolutionary and groundbreaking
as a MB, BMW, Audi, Bentley, Jaguars but it
should compete well against other Japanese
brands. right? As far as it being bland, Lexus
cars have never been bland. perhaps only bland
to those who wouldn't buy it anyway, regardless.
and don't try to convince me that you're a lexus
owner who thinks it's bland. how would I know?
The corolla, camry, tercel, takoma and most
other nonluxury, basic transportation cars of other brands are "bland". but luxury is a different league. Lexus showed some guts in
this new ES design considering the fact that
most ES buyers tend to be conservative whereas
most other luxury makes, although may redesign
their cars every few years, are very conservative
in staying close to the previous designs. I give
lexus at least this much credit.
On the exterior, I would prefer a closer look to
the previous generation ES. because that one
really help personify the ES. Can't mistake it
when parked next to other cars. Its elegance and
a sense of luxury really stands out. does it look
like a Peugot? perhaps a little but you can also
say the Peugot looks like a Celica. you really
have to see the whole picture to apreciate it.
On the interior, now this is where lexus really
excel. The ES truly moved upscale despite a price
I suspect will remain competitive. It looks even
better than most luxury cars costing thousands $$
more. And it appears that lexus has raised the
luxury standard "again" on smoothness and refinement. but we shall see.
Overall, the competitions including MB, BMW 3
series automatic sedan, Automatic A6, TL, I30
don't have much to compete against the new ES.
think about it. consider everything. look at the
so the popular way to make oneself feel better
and appear more in control is to try to downgrade
a serious contender and that's the ES.
most of these people who think it looks bland or
uqly wouldn't buy the ES regardless. The purpose
of the whining may be to discourage those who
are considering buying it. They're not the target
audience. it shouldn't have any problem addressing
the target buyers needs. especially after lexus
makes some improvements like a chrome grille
but seriously, it's great to see so many posts
even from the competitors enthusiasts. everyone
should be able to share their opinions and I just
shared mine. that's democracy. everyone's presence here merely popularize the ES forum and
ultimately the ES.