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Lexus ES 300, Lexus ES 330, Sedan
#1114 of 5443 Consumer Guide "Review"
Jul 27, 2001 (4:13 pm)
Just for fun, I compared the Consumer Guide ratings for the ES 300 2001 model (in the June issue) and the 2002 model (in September). I say "just for fun" because CG, by its own admission, only had a preview drive of the 2002.
The ratings were the same with three exceptions:
Instruments/controls -- 2001 wins by 1 point (compared to the 2002 w/o nav; 3 pts with nav)
Front room/comfort -- 2001 wins by 1 pt
Cargo room -- 2002 wins by 1 pt
On another issue, my wife drives a '94 ES 300, I drive a '00 BMW 323ci, and we both love our cars. As the French say, chacun a son gout -- to each his own. Moreover, at the moment it looks as if we'll soon be replacing the Lexus with a 2002 ES 300.
Jul 27, 2001 (7:10 pm)
Saw the 2002 ES300 in Consumer Guide and the car just seemed so-so. I believe qibble described the car as being camry-ish which is a perfect description. It just does not seem to have the aura of a luxury car.
Everyone has already expressed disappointment with the engine no need for me to add any comments there. On the positive side of things I like the fact that they included side air bags. Brake assist is another positive option as well as vehicle stability control (I am kind of suprised these options including traction control are not standard).
Have not seen the interior and so I cannot comment on that. I only wish I did not have to wait until October to see the actual vehicle and do a test drive.
I was hoping that seeing the first picture would motivate me to plunk down a $500 deposit but I am just not turned on right now. Perhaps after a making a date for a test drive in October I might be wooed by her personality and at that point I might consider a long term relationship.
#1116 of 5443 2002 ES300 - not what I expected
Jul 27, 2001 (9:05 pm)
I just saw the photo of the 2002 ES300 in the Consumer Guide and.....was disappointed. How BORING. I kept thinking "I hope this photo is a mistake - maybe it is a Camry". It sure looks like one.
I put a $500 deposit down 2 weeks ago, and will wait to drive the car, but likely won't buy now. I expected much more from Lexus. We have a 1999 RX300 and a 2000 LX470.
I think the 2001 ES300 is much sportier looking than the 2002 and appears, based on the photo, more luxurious. Right now, I'd say the odds of me buying one of these is 10%. Last week, it was 90%. I expected a car that had some styling pizazz, like the SC430 (love it or hate it, it isn't BORING).
I hope I'm wrong, and that the photo is deceiving, but I think Lexus missed on this car.
#1117 of 5443 Photos
Jul 27, 2001 (9:15 pm)
You guys sure are putting a lot of faith and weight into some pictures that are not gauranteed to be correct. Obviously the car is not going to be made less luxurious than a 2001.
It's time to calm down and wait until there are official real and clear photos (not drawings or guesses by artists of what it might be like) of the actual car.
People will have plenty of time to cancel your deposit when the real photos come out.
#1118 of 5443 one of the pleasures
Jul 27, 2001 (10:03 pm)
One of the pleasures I get by having a wife who drives an '01 ES300 (me??? I drive a Sienna)is hopping into the thing occasionally and running to the store. There are many parts that are common in her Lexus and my '01 Sienna XLE. The darn things even smell the same (leather I guess); but you guys who drive them on a daily basis don't get to experience the fun of rediscovering what a delicious car Lexus makes.
I suppose the "guts" are the same, and while I'm in deep "like" with my Toyota, I absolutely love that darned Lexus. I've had more than my share of gotta-have vehicles since 1980, and I've never driven anything that comes close to the to the Lexus blend of drive/ride/quiet. Best of all, I get to rediscover it once a week.
Toyota and/or Lexus have a tall order, trying to up the current ES300. Could it be a bit bigger inside...I wouldn't complain...does it need to be a bit faster....fine by me, but how much faster does it need to go.....I just hope they don't screw it up.
#1119 of 5443 Any chance of getting a Lexus rep to do Q&As???
Jul 28, 2001 (11:32 am)
Hey gang, it may be a little too early yet since we haven't seen the 2002, but does anyone think we could figure out a way to get a Lexus or Toyota rep on this board to do Q&A after the ES300 is publically released?
We'd have to keep the questions friendly and "professional," so as not to irk anyone, but wouldn't it be awesome if we could actually get a designer, an executive, or even a PR representative to have an occasional dialogue with us?
#1120 of 5443 Response to dli1022 message 1051 - AC Noise
Jul 28, 2001 (1:55 pm)
I have a 2001 ES300, purchased 3/01 with 3500 mi, now at 7000 mi. I have observed a noise similar to your description whenever the AC compressor is on. It sounds like a vacuum leak would sound if a vacuum line were disconnected. It begins just after starting from a stop and is noticable up to about 35 mph. It seems most noticable in the morning when the car just warming up, weather is cool, and the fan is on low. I may simply not notice it at other times because of higher fan speeds and definitely would not be aware of it with the sound system on or a higher speeds. I intended to ask the dealer about it at the first service check but anticipate an answer similar to the one you received.
#1121 of 5443 2001 ES300 Transmission & suspension
Jul 28, 2001 (2:18 pm)
I have a 2001 ES300 with 7000 mi. Overall I'm very pleased with this car but want to post questions on two areas:
1. I'm used to the newer electronically controlled transmissions performing such that the driver has little feel of downshifts taking place. I've noticed on this car that a downshift caused by engine loading, such as accelerating coming out of a corner results in a noticeable lag before the transmission attains the lower gear and a noticable feel of the downshift. The feel is reminiscent of older transmissions with strictly vacuum control and throttle position. I will question the dealer on this at the first service but don't expect much satisfaction unless there may be a factory service bulletin affect, etc. I believe I've seen postings about ES300 transmission issues but don't know if they were quite the same. Sorry if I'm resurrecting a topic already discussed. As far as I'm concerned, the transmission in my 1996 Camry 4 cyl is smoother and yet I'm comparing to Toyotas. Any comments?
2. When going over a bump, I expect to feel the bump but expect the sound from the impact of the tire and suspension to be abrupt and muffled, sort of a lower pitched "thump". This is the case with the three other cars in my family, ranging from a 1993 Taurus (69K mi), to a 1997 T&C (40K mi), to 1996 Camry (25K mi). The sound from the ES300 seems to radiate more thru the body as if there is insufficent isolation of the suspension to body. It doesn't sound like anything loose, simply that there is not enough sound deadening. I though maybe part of this was the 60 profile tires compared to the 65 profile tires on the other vehicles simply transmitting more of a shock to the suspension. Any feedback is appreciated.
#1122 of 5443 Headlight washer
Jul 28, 2001 (4:47 pm)
I recently bought a '96 es300 with about 40K miles on it, it's a beautiful car! Unfortunately it didn't come with the owner manual and I can't seem to find where the switch to operate the headlight washer, could someone enlighten me?
Jul 28, 2001 (4:51 pm)
I don't believe the ES300 has headlight washer. At least on the 96 since my 99 even doesn't have one. I could be wrong tho.