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Lexus ES 300, Lexus ES 330, Sedan
Jul 16, 2001 (2:48 pm)
The extra horsepower would be nice but not a neccesity. I have had a deposit on a 2002 ES 300 since February and I'm getting that car no matter what the horsepower (I currently have a 1995).
The Lexus will not get killed by the I35 and TL-S. The Infiniti is a total joke. I don't care how fast it is, park it next to a Maxima and you can't tell the difference. And the Acura just does not have a quality look and feel to the interior. To say the Lexus will get killed in sales is a poor comment. The new Q45 has 340 hp while the LS 430 has 290, but here are sales figures:
LS -- 2744
Q45 -- 565
LS -- 2807
Q45 -- 686
LS -- 2724
Q45 -- 543
The S-Class also has a low hp rating compared to the competition yet sells very well.
Further, the BMW 330i "only" has 225 hp, yet they are sold before the dealers get them. Same for the BMW 525i and 325i, which have even less hp. Is it embarrassing? People still buy these cars despite that because a car is more than just hp. If you are buying a car only for hp buy a Mustang.
Heck, the new Subaru WRX is a rocket, but I wouldn't take that car over an ES 300 in a million years.
Jul 16, 2001 (5:38 pm)
I actually like the new Q, a lot a features for the money. For some reason though, it's 340 horsepower is still slower than the LS430's 290. Lexus and Toyota cars are very efficent(sp) With just the new 5 speed automatic I would expect the the car to go 0-60 in 7.5 seconds, which isn't bad. I don't think people are looking only at performance numbers, however, performance and luxury go hand in hand. Keep in mind that the 2002 TL-S and CL-S will have a 6 speed manual as an option. I hope that Lexus first looks at reliability, luxury, feature content and value, then a little more power would be great. I'm hoping for 220-230 at least. I talked to a Lexus salesman and he said that when comparing their cars they don't look at Infiniti and Acura, they look at BMW and Mercedes. They are probably saying they are so good they don't have to match the others' horsepower.
Jul 16, 2001 (6:34 pm)
A well informed car shopper would look at the
whole perspective of a car. HP is just one.
If that's all you want, then you gonna have
problems down the road. for me, I researched
and considered all kinds of cars. I read articles
by car experts, historical surveys, etc. but
overall I realized the best judge of cars are
their owners who share their stories in forums like Edmunds. but the owners views must complement the experts views or similar. Otherwise
people may just be making things up. I settled
on getting a Lexus. Initially didn't want an
ES but the test drive convince me that it was the
car I needed to have. It was so smooth and relaxing. Love the LS test drive too but too
large and not as elegant for my taste. So the
HP was not what made me buy the ES. It was the
balance of everything considered. Lexus knows
who their customers are. And most of them buy
lexus not for HP but for a heck of a lot more
goodies compared to MB, BMW, Audi for the buck.
It is a compromise no matter what type of car
you buy but I don't think there's a doubt that
Lexus gives people the best balance of everything
that people need and want in a luxury car. That's
how they reach their status. And I see them only
I agree with you guys that it would be great to
have a 230HP or 260HP but Lexus right now believes
that HP is not one of the main reasons for their
success. Although I have to admit that Acura
TLS 260HP has gain a lot more popularity after
getting the 260HP but it was also because of
value, reliability, etc. 260HP on an ES would
make it look more attractive but it is a
compromise. However I do see a larger engine
(might not be 260) in a few years because
it simply cannot be removed from the equation
when the competitions are increasingly getting
Jul 16, 2001 (7:06 pm)
I don't know where they get their info/pics, but usually, it is off by quite a bit. If you were to remember back to december (about) of '99, they had some future pics of the Celsior (LS 430). It was pretty far off. I think those guys get early concepts, and print them.
As far as the new Brevis, that will probably be a Japan-only car; there are many of those. I believe the Toyota Japan Flagship has a 5.0L V12, that will probably never see our shores (emissions)
#1057 of 5443 Disappointed in 2001 ES300 Test Drive
Jul 16, 2001 (8:01 pm)
I test drove one and it was "nice," but the age is showing. It was cramped. It was quiet, but not not super-quiet like you expect a Lexus to be. The ride was a little firmer than I expected, but OK.
I test drove a 2002 TL it it drove much, much better.
The stereo was better in the Lexus, and real wood in the Lexus is nicer than fake wood in the Acura, but the base model Acura just plain drove better, felt more refined, was quieter and had more modern features. The TL-S Acuras were a little noiser and harder riding though.
I'm sure the new 2002 ES300 will be huge improvement. I'm going to look at it, and if it is too expensive, I will go back to the TL. There are not great discounts on the 2002 TLs now, but that may change in response to the competition from the new Lexus ES this fall.
Jul 16, 2001 (8:57 pm)
Don't forget to test drive the Avalon. it's a great alternative to the ES. You might be surprised by how comfortable it is. Happy shopping.
#1059 of 5443 Avalon
Jul 16, 2001 (10:04 pm)
Avalon is just too ugly for me to consider. The ES300 looks nice, the TL looks kind of boring, but decent and the Avalon is embarrassingly styled.
#1060 of 5443 2000 ES300 servicing
Jul 17, 2001 (7:48 am)
With reference to your message #1014 and my message #1013, I think what you missed was your labor and the records. I'm a senior citizen and haven't been under a car for 30 years. You are right about the parts the dealer replaced but they also checked everything and recorded in the records that they found nothing wrong with the car. This gives a great piece of mind and makes a record for the future if something goes wrong even after the warranty period. Knowing their was not even a tiny oil leak is important to me that the car is near perfect.
I have had 6 or 7 new cars in my lifetime and they spent too much time at the dealers plus the time I spent under the hood.
The reason I bought a Lexus is because it is the most reliable, safe, quiet, fast car on the road. It has lived up to my dream.
Jul 17, 2001 (10:52 am)
Does anyone one know where the pcv valve is on a 99 ES300?
Jul 17, 2001 (11:40 am)
Read the comments about the potential lack of horsepower in the ES300 and read the comments about the fact that Lexus is primarily a luxury car and HP is not everything. Both viewpoints are valid arguments. I would just like to add one thing.
Test drove the Acura TL and even though it feels quicker and the handling is better that the ES300 it is lacking in luxury and so it is unlikely that I would purchase one.
However I test drove the TL Type S and I had a ball. The ES300 is still more luxurious but the TL-S is a lot more fun to drive.
I hope the new ES300 will be fun to drive. If not, I am sure Lexus will sell many ES300's. However Acura could create a significant dent in their bottom line.