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#8873 of 30250 Jbreez and Jeffc...
Aug 16, 2001 (7:10 am)
...ought to get together, as fate put your posts in perfect chronological order.
Seriously, I would guess the 2000 328i to be several thousand $$$ beyond the price range jbreez quoted, but it'd be a helluva car.
Certified pre-owned is a good move. The warranty that goes along with it is, as I understand it, quite an incentive and should put to rest any uneasiness about reliability issues. As for pre-owned financing, I can't say firsthand.
The 323, 325, 328, 330 differ mainly by engine displacement (2.5, 2.8, and 3.0 liters, respectively). The 323 is a misnomer, as it is actually a 2.5-liter engine. They fixed that after 2000. Level of standard equipment varies with engine displacement as well, so price differences are not due to engine displacement differences alone (though mostly).
The e36 is the 1992-1998 3-series body style; the e46 is 1999 and beyond.
I'd guess that e46 cars would be out of that price range. A 1997 or 1998 e36 (325 or 328, depending on exact year and mileage) may fit into the range a bit better. Chech Edmunds' used car pricing for more detail.
Hope this helps, and good luck. I was a BMW-newbie (330i) about 8 months ago, too. After almost 8,000 miles and a second BMW, I am convinced it's money well-spent, especially if you value driving and cars as much as I do. I'm sure I'm speaking on behalf of most of this board as well.
Aug 16, 2001 (7:15 am)
Yeah... I didn't even see that until after I posted. And yes the 2000 328i will be a few thousand out of his range. Unless you listen to the dealers I've been dealing with :0
Aug 16, 2001 (7:24 am)
I bought a CPO 1998 318 coupé over a month ago. Prices in Canada don't compare well to US prices, but there is a lot more info on US prices than Canadian, so you should be able to narrow your range fairly well.
I personally wouldn't recommend the 318 to anyone that likes a bit if power. The 6cyl would be better. But its fine for me for the next couple of years. (I have decided that I will trade up when its paid off/off warranty if circumstances permit)
I chose to buy from a dealer as I wanted the peace of mind from the extended warranty. The road side assistance is a nice extra. Its like having a new car (almost). And a Bimmer at that.
BMW Canada had a deal in June on the CPOs (3.9% for the 3 series, my bank offered 6-7%). (Not that that's the least bit relevant to you)
#8876 of 30250 what is cpo? Possible future bmw owner?
Aug 16, 2001 (7:44 am)
Excuse me but what is a cpo? I am still considering a bmw. I have a Maxima now which has been trouble free. No rattles, squeak, mechanical failure, etc. On problem was with the key needing reprogramming.
Here are the cars I have been looking at:
Lexus IS300 - like the handling, and it turns heads. Small for my liking, and need more juice.
Acura TL-S - good luxury, and performance. However by reading from the acura forum I am afraid of all the things that people have had problem with.
Mercedes C320/Jag X-Type - not as good bang for the bucks as the others
Audi A4 - small back seats, but probably not unlike the 3 series. Didn't like the lone dealer in town. Snobby.
Nissan Maxima/Altima - with the higher performance they are worth a look. Not yet in dealerships.
BMW 325, 330i, 330ix. - Pricer, but I am deciding if it's worthwhile to go a bit more into the pocket book. A collegue had an accident in his BM not long ago. He hit a cougar driving about 140 mph. He was not injured, and the car is not a write off!! I like the looks of the BMW. It is getting a bit more popular then owners like to see.
That's my 2 cents worth.
#8877 of 30250 CPO = Certified Pre-Owned
Aug 16, 2001 (7:45 am)
#8878 of 30250 Prospectivie 330ci or M3 Buyer
Aug 16, 2001 (7:47 am)
Hello, I am considering leasing a new 2002 330i automatic or M3(with SMG/SSG). I do most of my driving, including my hard driving, on the interstate and the occasional mountain highway. I would like to know your impressions of the cars (E46 3.0 and M3), in this driving environment. I am specifically curious about the cars acceleration off idle in cruising gear (with automatic) at highway speeds. I am also interested in the car's off the line and rolling start acceleration with the automatic, specifically without using steptronic mode or turning DSC/TC off. I know these cars having amazing skidpad numbers, which essentially test low speed cornering in tight corners. However, how do you feel the cars corner and handle on long wide high speed sweepers or s turns (such as those on I-80/95/287 in NJ/NY area)? I am making a purposeful distinction between cornering (staying on road under lateral acceleration) and handling (sense of control, stability, and responsiveness). How does the car perform and handle under combinations of acceleration, braking, and cornering? I am use to driving cars with long wheel bases and wide tracks, and high torque engines with low end pull and broad powerbands (i.e. large displacement or supercharged V6/V8). I have also recently been driving fwd drive cars, but am anxious to return to RWD. I have found FWD cars offer excellent cornering under power, but not when coasting or braking (off-power understeer). However, its very awkward to have to power through a turn, especially if you entered it too fast, or there is a slow moving vehical in front of you. Do you think RWD and 50/50 characteristics allow you have the same apex/exit speed on a corner, as is possible with high torque FWD car under power? I am currently driving a Pontiac Grandprix GTP, which is a FWD Supercharged V6 with 240HP and 280 ft/lbs from 2000RPM to 5000RPM. Please no flames or GM/Pontiac bashing. I am here to talk about BMW. I am interested in BMW because its only company to currently offer stylish luxury sports coupes/sedans with RWD/AWD, true sports supensions, 18 inch sports wheels with Z rated tires, dynamic stability control, high final drive ratios, and 5 speed automatics with septronic. I know the cars offer many other things, but these are my personal criteria.
#8879 of 30250 Steetracer
Aug 16, 2001 (8:02 am)
If you're looking into a M3 with SMG, I hope you got on the waiting list about 6 months ago. Otherwise, you're looking at a year's wait, not to mention the premium over sticker (~$10,000) these cars are going for.
One advantage of the 330 is that it can actually be HAD, saving mucho time and $$$.
I have a 2001 Step 330i, and I can say that the transmission is possibly the most responsive and smooth, least power-sapping autos available today. Just press on the throttle and you're pressed back in your seat. You can expect acceleration comparable to your GTP, but with one of the most satisfying engines, in terms of smoothness and sound, this side of Maranello. I'd still prefer the immediate responsiveness of a manual, but if an auto is a criterion, there are few better combinations than the 3.0-liter engine and the 5-speed Step (OK, maybe the 540i's engine and Step).
The SMG is really a manual with an auto clutch -- F1-style. It performs as well as or better than a comparable manual, since there's no torque converter to fuzzy-up the drivetrain. If you're into the ultimate in new auto technology (and the inherent risks involved), the wait, and the extra $$$, an SMG-equipped M3 might be an even better choice.
#8880 of 30250 Wheel Cleaning
Aug 16, 2001 (8:39 am)
Can somewhat recommend a good (and safe) wheel cleaner for BMW's alloy wheels? I have heard of two supposedly good cleaners: P21S Wheel Cleaners (from Germany) and Eimann Fabrik Hi-Intensity Cleaner. Does anyone have any experience with either of these? Does anyone know if they are both safe to use on the wheels? Both are acid free but are mild solutions of an alkaline solvent, usually ethylene glycol, with a wetting agent. P21S is the milder of the two (with a stronger variety coming in the form of a gel) and Hi-Intensity Cleaner being professional strength. Any comments???
#8881 of 30250 burrsr and jeffc1
Aug 16, 2001 (8:41 am)
First of all thanx to burrsr for the geat input. Now a couple of more dumb questions:
Is there no more 328 and 323? Looking at edmunds, I notice the 325 is only 2001 listed. I also note that a new 325, according to edmunds, can be had for just under MSRP. Unfortunately I must have automatic for the wife, so per edmunds I'm looking at a little over 28,000 for a new 325. Looking at used 328s and 323s, I haven't found any 98s or 99s under 26,500 (most are 27,500 and up!) To be honest with you, for 2000 more I am seriously considering a new 325!
Anyone have any input on what they have paid for 2001 325 with auto as only option. I'm in Orlando. Jeffc1, your 2000 an auto? if so, maybe we can talk. burrsr, thanx again, I appreciate it!
Aug 16, 2001 (8:50 am)
You should be able to get a '01 325 for about $1,000-1,500 off MSRP, if you can still order one that is. You will not find a base 325 with just the step option anywhere. I do agree that getting a new 325 makes more sense than a used 323/328 - good luck!! As far as the '02 325's, I'm guessing the going rate initially will be around $500-700 off MSRP (less on strippers) and you're looking at delivery some time in November.