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BMW 3 Series, Sedan
#464 of 30250 jeniharris
Jan 04, 2001 (11:51 am)
The self-proclaimed experts who talk about high BMW service costs usually haven't even SAT in a BMW. They've likely obtained the information from their cousin's girlfriend's stepsister's paper carrier. My 1995 3er just received the minor Inspection I service as well as new front pads. My local independent BMW specialist charged all of $150. The more extensive Inspection II will cost about $600 from a dealer and $350-$400 from a good independent. 1992-1998 cars need this service about every 36,000 miles; 1999-on 3ers extend this interval to 60,000. Is a BMW a bit more expensive to run than a Hontoynissubishi? Sure, but the additional expense is overwhelmingly offset by the vastly superior performance, comfort, and safety of the BMW. And anyway, isn't life just too bloody short to drive a Camry?
#465 of 30250 If you want the deal...
Jan 04, 2001 (3:40 pm)
<<#440 of 459 Leasing BMW question by mamamia123 Dec 30, 2000 (01:14 am) Hello all, Im looking to lease a 325 sedan. My question is, will I get a better deal if I went and leased a 1999 BMW 323 sedan instead of leasing a 2001 325 sedan? The reason why I might be willing to go with the 1999, is because the body is basically the same, and if I can get a much better deal on the lease because the vehicle is pre-owned with some miles on it, then I'd be willing to go with it. When I say better "deal", I mean since lease terms are basically figured out between the MSRP and the residual value price..I was wondering which car would have a lesser difference between the MSRP and 36 months of ownership (Residual value)...a new 2001 BMW 325 Sedan or a 1999 323 sedan?? Of course, I want the deal that has the least difference between the MSRP and the residual price because that will mean lesser monthly payments/down payment. Any advice/comments regarding this question or leasing a BMW in general would be greatly appreciated. >>
...with the least depreciation factored in the lease, then clearly, the 99 323 will be your choice. Cars depreciate faster when new. Of course, ask to see the actual calculations to see the difference. The finance part of the lease payment is also quite crucial, and not something to be taken for granted. Who knows, perhaps the lease factor for the 01 325 will be better?
Also, I presume the maintenance costs on the 01 will be cheaper, as 3 years/36k miles is included.
#466 of 30250 The $18720 is not the depreciation...
Jan 04, 2001 (3:55 pm)
<<#449 of 460 Why leasing? by ycfmw Jan 03, 2001 (08:21 am) I am in DC area. Last week I went to VOB in Rockville and almost signed for a new 325i. The problem was the sales quoted me $520/mo for a 36-mo lease. (window price is $33000). It means I pay 520 * 12 = 6240 a year. or $18720 for 3 years. I don't think the car will depreciate that much in 3 years. Is there any good reason you guys decide to lease a car? Thanks. >>
...amount. That's the depreciation and finance charge, and possibly also includes your state sales tax. If you want to know your depreciation amount, ask your salesman, what the residual value was, should be in the low 60s percentage, depending upon mileage allowance. I'll guess depreciation was about $12000, and the rest is finance and salestax.
As for reasons to lease, some do it for business tax reasons. And, some do it for the flexibility. One way to think about it is to compare the cost of a 36 month lease against a 36 month loan. For my $45,570 MSRP 330Xi, I was offered a $677 lease versus a $1376 purchase payment. That's nothing down, 15k miles, 36 months. Imagine taking the difference between the two choices, that is, $1376 - $677 = $699. Take that amount and put it under your pillow, for 36 months, how much have you got? About $25000. What's my residual value plus sales tax? $29200. Okay, I'm $4200 short after 3 years. Now, what if I stick that money in a Christmas passbook account, that pays 5%? I'd have $27100, still not quite enough. Now, what rate of return would I need to make leasing as attractive as purchasing? About 10%. If you think the time value of money to you is worth 10%, then leasing may be for you. If you use that money to pay off 19% credit card debt then by all means lease. You'll save money.
#467 of 30250 Leasing ??
Jan 04, 2001 (5:25 pm)
I am in DC area. Last week I went to VOB in Rockville and almost signed for a new 325i. The problem was the sales quoted me $520/mo for a 36-mo lease. (window price is $33000). It means I pay 520 * 12 = 6240 a year. or $18720 for 3 years. I don't think the car will depreciate that much in 3 years. Is there any good reason you guys decide to lease a car? Thanks.
Did you have to give a down payment to be quoted $520.00 a month to be quoted the above.
#468 of 30250 Re: 325 Power #448 stokdgs
Jan 04, 2001 (5:52 pm)
stokdgs, I really appreciate your input. I assume from your mention of downshifting that you had the manual transmission, right? I will be getting an automatic, but even so I'm feeling pretty confident that the 325 will be strong enough for most tasks. Interesting enough, though: the 325 has more HP but less torque than the 323.
323 - hp 1705500
325 - hp 1846000
Because I don't see myself constantly pushing the 5500 to 6000 rpm zone, I don't really see a huge benefit to the extra 14 hp that the new engine can squeeze out. In fact, with the lower torque, I'm wondering if the average 325 driver will feel less power than the 323.
Another thing: Apparently the gas mileage for the 330 is even better than the 325.
325 - 20/29
330 - 21/30
Of course, intuition would tell me that a bigger engine given all the same factors would get less gas mileage, so I'm confused on this point. Any clarifications from the car techies would be appreciated. Thanks.
#469 of 30250 Suggestions/Experience with E46 Dealer-Installed NAV?
Jan 05, 2001 (12:32 am)
I've been looking for the perfect budget GPS for the past couple weeks.
I have a BMW 328 that I bought last year, and I've been kicking myself for
not getting a GPS installed at the time.
I almost settled on the Garmin Streetpilot (perhaps the Streetpilot III
coming out, which has routing and voice), when I realized that the
accessories catalogue for the 3 Series mentions a GPS/Nav System you can
purchase from the dealer.
The price in the catalogue is $1,500. I'm wondering if this unit is worth
the money though. Is it comparable to the GPS you'd get pre-installed at
the factory? On a 328, will the installation be fairly elegant, or will it
stick out? If anyone has had experience with this, whether it's just
seeing it in a car, or actually having used it, I'd like to hear about it.
From what I'm told, this is a different unit then the one I would have
gotten if I ordered it straight from the dealer, installed at the factory.
Jan 05, 2001 (9:35 am)
From what I have read (bimmer.org is extremely helpful) there is a recall on type 44 wheels, which are used on the 2001 sport packages. It is also my understanding the recall pertains to week 38 production dates only. I would not be overly concerned with wheel damage as the problem seems to have been identified, is being addressed with a recall, and seems to only pertain to week 38ers.
#471 of 30250 1995 318i Question
Jan 05, 2001 (12:27 pm)
Was there traction control on the 1995 318i?
#472 of 30250 Buying Used: Advise, Please.
Jan 05, 2001 (12:40 pm)
Hello, I was browsing through doing some research, and decided to post here to get some additional input.
Anyway: I am considering buying a used '92 BMW 318i 4dr sedan. It has 63k on the odo, and the dealer wants less than $9,000 for it. The exhaust and two power windows were being replaced, as this is being posted. It is a 5-speed manual, like all my other cars have been.
Thoughts? Is this a good purchase/bad purchase? My last car was '98 VW Wolfsburg; and while some on this board have maintained that the VW is a money pit, in the two years I had it it was trouble free. Are BMW's money pits? I loved the German quality of the VW and am really interested in this "entry-level" BMW.