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BMW 3 Series, Sedan
Apr 03, 2003 (9:01 pm)
I too have experienced a momentary hesitation before the brakes "Grab" and you start to slow down. Having said that, I have noticed this phenomena on any number of cars from Europe, not just BMWs. The worst offender was my 1995 VR6 Passat GLX in the cold/wet conditions. I did occasionally notice it on my former 328i as well, and to a lesser degree on my current 530i. When I worked for MB-USA (mid 1990s), I noticed it on virtually all of their cars that I drove during that nasty 1995/1996 winter we had in northern NJ.
I have never fussed about this problem because I have always assumed that the rotors were cold, and back when I was first learning to "Turn a wrench", the guys who were my mentors (all trained no later than WWII) always warned that "The higher the metallic content in the brake pad compound, the hotter the brake surfaces need to be to generate good stopping power." On guy told me a story about a truck that he used to drive that had full Metallic pads, and how he used to drive with the brake pedal partially depressed for the first few miles after starting it up for the first time on cold winter mornings.
Apr 03, 2003 (11:10 pm)
I drove both cars with the std trans and Auto. Additionally I drove the 525i and the 530i (both automatics). There was a big diference in total performance and even more so with the 5 series (the used 530i was very quick). I chose the 330i and I am anxiously awaiting delivery of a 6 speed, Orient blue, gray leather, PP, HS, with Xenon's at the end of April. I am so psyched.
The 325i is a sweet car and I really liked the way it runs. If I was really strapped (and there have been times that I was)for the $3.5K (net after features). I would be fine with the 325i with the PP and sports package. If I was getting an xi snowplow I would probably get the 325 because the extra xi weight kind of negates 330i's performance advantages. Now if your like me and you love the feel and sound of a higher performance engine at the higher ranges of performance, there is the difference. The 330 gives you almost a second better - 6.3(6sp) vs 7.1(5sp)to 60 than the 325 and the on the roll acceleration through the gears is far superior. Besides the 17 in., HK and other 330i frills, the engine is the reason you want the 330. There is a pretty big difference when you get on it. As you know your talking a 1/2 liter and a 41 HP increase. Plus you get the six speed. Hell soldier, huff and puff and get the 330.
#22584 of 30250 Interesting.......
Apr 04, 2003 (7:34 am)
After "building" my car on bmwusa.com this morning, I found that the lease price decreased by $6 per month from yesterday's "build." This would tell me they have changed some variables in regards to leases. Based on my "build" msrp of $39,370 (330Ci), and backing out the numbers on a 36-month lease, I think I have deciphered a 63% residual and .00235 money factor (10,000 miles) and 60%/.00235 (15,000 miles). I think the money factor was reduced from .00245 to arrive at this change. Of course, their website numbers are usually conservatively posted; i.e. seems like BMW Financial actually offers better deals than what is available on their website to the general population.
Apr 04, 2003 (10:45 am)
Two years ago, I calculated the difference for the engine alone to be closer to $4,400, plus you are forced to pay another $400 or so for upgrades that some of us don't need - see link below.
KarenS "BMW 3-Series Owners: FAQ" Jun 1, 2001 12:46pm
I doubt the numbers have changed much since then. Once you rev up the 325, it is more than adequate for street driving and fine for the track, at least for me. The ECIS CAI that I installed for $350 takes care of the low-end lack of grunt, throttle response throughout the torque band, and esp. the engine sound, which has a lot more growl than the 330 now. The $4,400 will give you a car that is faster in a straight line but not much else when compared to a 325i SP with a CAI. Also, I don't want staggered tires on my car - I'd much rather have the same size all around. The difference of 41 ponies is somewhat countered by a much more aggressive gearing in the 325. It's all about tradeoffs but if I had to do it all over, I'd get the 325i SP again. The money you save will buy you a lot of driving schools, which ultimately will make you a faster driver if that's what you're striving to achieve.
disclaimer: My 'Service Engine Soon' light has been on since shortly after I installed the ECIS CAI, although there has been no impact on drivability whatsoever.
#22586 of 30250 Shipo, Dave330, Brave, et al.
Apr 04, 2003 (11:59 am)
Hi guys! It's been a while...just wanted to say hello. I've still got the 3er...and am really glad I got the snows last year coz' I certainly needed them here in TO.
She runs beautifully and has been trouble free. Can't wait for warmer temps so I can get back to nicer tires and twisty roads.
#22587 of 30250 Hey Genie...
Apr 04, 2003 (12:16 pm)
I haven't seen a post of yours since shortly after you got back from Goa (of course my being absent for 6 months might have something to do with that). Ditto on the snows, we needed them real bad here in NH this winter, in fact, I would not have gotten up my driveway this very morning without them.
Apr 04, 2003 (12:34 pm)
Goa...that was so last year. This season's vacation was spent shopping in London...yummy!
I've been busy working on my business...doesn't leave much time to post, unfortunately.
I skipped several months of posts, but the first one I caught up on today was your post re. your broken leg, before skipping to the end. How is that? Better I hope?
#22589 of 30250 mxpro738 325Xi auto vs 330Ci SP 5-speed
Apr 04, 2003 (2:28 pm)
mxpro738's post #22512 that started the 325 vs 330 discussion was about a 325Xi auto vs a 330Ci SP 5-speed. He said after test driving these two cars, he couldn't feel much difference.
If you can't tell the difference, the choice is simple -- get the 325Xi. If you can't afford the 330, get the 325. If you can afford the 330, but don't think it's worth the extra money, get the 325.
I can't explain mxpro738's test drive experience. Most people that compared a 325Xi auto to a 330Ci 5-speed would feel a huge difference in power. Maybe the test drive was not thorough or hard enough, or maybe the 330i had a weak engine.
I agree a 325i 5-speed has adequate power. If you're comparing this to a 330i 5-speed, the choice is less clear. The 325i is a lot cheaper. Personally I liked the 330i, but I can see why many are satisfied with a 325i 5-speed.
However for me personally I draw the line at the 325i auto -- it's a nice car but just feels too slow for my taste. For some reason the auto saps the power on a 325i more than a 330i. Lots of people are happy with a 325i auto, and that's great. For me it wasn't enough power.
Re a 325i auto vs a 330i 5-speed, I've driven both back to back several times, and (to me) there's just a huge difference. It's far more than the acceleration specs indicate. Maybe it's the 330i's low rpm torque, I don't know.
I can't explain why mxpro738 didn't feel this difference, especially with the additional weight and driveline loss of the Xi. My advice is carefully test drive both cars again before buying. Make sure you thoroughly exercise them under the same conditions.
If he's satisifed with the 325Xi, then by all means get it -- don't get a more expensive 330i just because someone on a forum says to. However make sure the test drive is sufficiently thorough to ensure 325Xi has sufficient power for your taste.
A separate issue is sport vs non-sport (also a factor in 325Xi vs 330Ci SP). Personally I think the sport package, esp the seats and wheels are a must have. From a suspension standpoint, a non-sport 325Xi would feel very different from a 330i SP. That doesn't mean the SP is better for everybody. My 330i SP rides somewhat firmer and tramlines significantly more than 325i non-sports I've driven. My 330i SP requires more frequent steering correction when on the freeway, due to slight "hunting" left/right. This is typical of wider, lower-profile tires. You get used to it, and to me the faster steering response, improved grip, and M68 wheels are worth it. But it again illustrates the need for a thorough test drive over various road surfaces, not just a quick spin around the block.
So to me the lowest cost acceptable configuration would be a 325i SP 5-speed. I think that's a great car. If the choice was truly between a 325Xi auto sedan vs a 330Ci SP 5-speed, and I didn't need 4 doors, the 330iCi would be the easy choice. If the cost was too high, I'd look for a 325i SP 5-speed, not get the 325Xi auto.
Yet another issue is AWD vs RWD. This is further magnified by the SP having summer tires. Car and Drive had a good article about AWD vs 2WD here:
http://urlizer.com/00/1366 If you had a SP car and live in a snow region you'd usually need to use winter tires in the cold season.
Apr 04, 2003 (2:29 pm)
Nice to hear from you again. Hope the business is going well. I haven't been posting much either. I've been working a lot of hours to make the down payment on my first place.
Tires make such a difference on the car. Now that I have S-03s installed, I don't have to worry about wet traction.
#22591 of 30250 TSB# for Sticky/Notchy Gas Pedal
Apr 04, 2003 (5:30 pm)
Does anyone by any chance know the TSB # for the well-known gas pedal fix. I have the part numbers for the pedal module and adapter plate from previous postings, but the service guy asked me if I knew the TSB #. He also said he wasn't aware of this problem which has me worried that when I take it in next week they will say they can't find the TSB.