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BMW 3 Series, Sedan
#21271 of 30250 Resting
Dec 20, 2002 (6:40 am)
fjm1... Guess I don't mind too much your constant complaints about your own car and your experiences. It is unfortunate. But believe you go over the top when you criticize BMW in total. And I think it is only fair that you should explain to people that you self admit to "flogging your sucker". BMW builds hundreds of thousands of 3 Series annually. A few bad apples are bound to be in any such huge bunch. But I suspect that owners that flog their suckers are bound to experience more problems than those who don't. I haven't flogged either of my BMWs. Both have been pretty enjoyable experiences to own and drive. (Not sure one can compare the driving experience of an early 1990s FWD 4 cyl Acura Integra to the 3 Series. Was that Acura based on the Honda Civic or Accord platform? Can't hardly imagine there was any fun in flogging the Acura. Might be scary to get it near its limits. But I can imagine how much more fun it is to push the 3 Series. They can bring out the beast in drivers.)
Do you have an active BMW CCA chapter near you? Are you a BMW CCA member? They might have been able to assist you in dealing with your dealer or BMW NA.
Where was your 3 Series made? Mine is South African. Just curious.
Dec 20, 2002 (7:05 am)
>I own a BMW and lie awake at nite wishing I bought something else.< Well, just sell the bloody thing and find another topic to post in; your constant whining is becoming tiresome to the large majority of participants who DON'T have problems.
#21273 of 30250 Aldubya and Riez Re: Inspection 2
Dec 20, 2002 (7:17 am)
Erhard is high, there is no doubt about that. I knew they were high when it came to buying cars, but I figured with they might not be so bad for maintenance. My mistake, their $1200 quote for an inspection 2 is evidence of that. I don't think I will be taking it there for anythign other than warranty work from now on. That is almost insulting if they tried to add on a bunch of stuff without even looking at the car. If a customer asks for the cost of an inspection 2, should the price vary or should it be static. I could see if they found something wrong, like brakes for instance. But that is after the fact. Could they be quoting me high incase something like that occurs. Isn't there some law that the price for repairs can't be higher than the estimate or can only be so much over the estimate.
Dec 20, 2002 (7:48 am)
Well, I DO flog the ti; drivers schools, autocross, and "spirited" street driving. The only thing I've noticed is that the M42 four banger consumes a bit more oil under track conditions. And I did manage to hot spot a rotor once because I didn't get to do a cool down lap after an instructor session.
Dec 20, 2002 (8:03 am)
"Flogging" is different from abusing. Some people abuse their autos by:
1. not following recommended maintenace especially when flogging
2. driving with low fluid levels and parts in need of repair
3. not following manufacturers break-in recommendations
4. driving the car hard while the engine and drivetrain is warming up, especially in freezing weather
5. overreving the engine in neutral
6. driving with your foot on the brake and accelerator at the same time
7. using the clutch to hold the car on a hill
8. doing a lot of high rev torque starts with an auto tranny.
Have fun flogging, even with hard driving and track racing you should get many years of ownership from a car provided it's taken care of.
Dec 20, 2002 (9:02 am)
I realize you are passionate about your BMWs, but as a 95 Integra owner (for the record, I own 2002 530 as well), I must point out a couple of things.
1. fjm1 did not compare the driving dynamic between the 2, but reliability based on his experience.
2. Have you driven an Integra? I brought mine to Germany after putting about 127,000 miles in DC metro trafic and the powertrain still pulls hard, cruises at 100+ mph for hours on autobahn. Sure it is not as quiet nor stable above 120 as my 530, but handles well, and is fun to drive. It is built on Civic chassis, and there are a few squeaks, but no rattle. In fact, it is holding up so well that I may take it back to the states and keep it as my commuter.
Please do not generalize and make comments like "Can't hardly imagine there was any fun in flogging the Acura. Might be scary to get it near its limits". There are other cars that can be quite fun, even if they do not have the roundel on it.
Dec 20, 2002 (9:08 am)
jb_shin... I readily admit my bias against FWD vehicles. I've owned FWD and RWD. I much prefer RWD for performance applications. And I know there are a ton of great cars from a lot of marques. I love great cars. Not just BMWs. (I had fun driving my old '96 Infiniti G20t but from a driver's perspective it doesn't compare to my wife's 323iA.)
Was the Integra based on the Accord platform? Civic? Some other platform? Decent car.
#21278 of 30250 Definitions
Dec 20, 2002 (9:19 am)
div2, kdshapiro, & jb_shin... I would refer you to read fjm1's comments posted at the Edmunds BMW 325i vs the World board. I did try to get fjm1 to define his terms.
fjm1 wrote his car was a "spirited vixen that begs for trouble" and "so heck yeah I flog that sucker". He also wrote "flogging = opposite of 'driving as intended'".
Believe his original main beef related to VANOS units on 2.5L.
I concur that BMWs can be driven appropriately hard as long as the driver maintains the car and knows how to drive well on the right road surfaces & settings (e.g. race track vs 25 mph residential area). But that to me seems like it could be different than "flogging" or getting into "trouble".
The MidAmerica Motor Sports track isn't too far from me. My local BMW CCA chapter has come out twice for weekend driving school and spirited track time. I went out once to watch and spoke with participants. (Is a bit pricey to participate.) They had a blast. That is the right place and under the right conditions.
Dec 20, 2002 (9:24 am)
I agree that RWD cars are generally more fun to drive and easier to control once it gets out of hand. I had a heck of a time when I started sliding on a slippery surface in our Accord. I just could not get it to straighten out.
Once I started to really enjoy driving the car, I told myself that it would have to be RWD for me. However, Integra Type-R (one of very, very few FWD that can be steered with throttle) or the new Mini handle so well, that I may have to give them another chance.