rjg96... You appear to have very high standards. Methinks you might be a bit too picky and a bit unrealistic. I've got a 323iA and a 540i6. While I totally agree with you that BMW needs to address these niggling issues like squeaks, rattles, etc. think both the 3 and 5 Series share many of them. Both of my cars have their share of little noises (squeaks, creaks, groans, rattles, whines). Think I've gotten used to most of 'em.
The 5 does seem to be more solid. And the trim is nicer. But that is purely subjective on my part.
Sounds to me like you might be better off with a Lexus, say ES300 or GS300. But even then you'll likely have various noises from the engine or transmission that only you'll be able to hear.
I tend to drive listening to CD or radio, or talking with wife, or listening to the kids bicker. Maybe all their whining covers up some of my cars' whinings? Or might help me tolerate the various odd noises better?
I'm a big fan of manual transmissions and Sport Package. Only way to go in nice BMW. (Too bad wife can't drive a stick.)
I keep wondering if BMW isn't making their cars too complex and too overengineered such that they create all these little noises. All the additional items and equipment on the new 745i that supposedly are going to filter down to the next 5 Series make me nervous. Today's 5 Series has been in continuous production since 1996. It is about as reliable as you'll get for a BMW product! I'd recomend you get a 2002 or 2003 5 Series. BMW should've gotten as many "bugs", "gremlins", and "poltergiests" out of the platform after 6 or 7 years of production.
My new Sumi's have zero tramlining. Tramlining is more common with wider low profile high performance tires but a lot depends on the tire itself. Keep in mind that there is much more to the sport package than tires.
As far as rattles and squeaks, I've had 3-4 different types that have all been resolved by the dealer. My 325i has a solid feel that I think will last for many miles and years. If luxury is more important than performance, though, you will be happier with a 5-series.
Happy 4-th, gang! It's right smack in the middle of 3- and 5-...a nice compromise for those who can't decide between the two cars ;o)
and soon to be a reality, judging from the latest roundel...
as far as the "overly picky" person... uhhh... yea, you might be a little overly picky... the suggestion above of a lexus probably is correct for you... my old man's es is completely soundless... of course, that equates to characterless in my book, but that's just me...
Well, I can't wipe the grin off my face. Just took possession of my 325Ci yesterday, just in time for the holiday. She's a beaut, titanium silver, black leather, PP & HK. Production was completed on 6/8, shipped on 6/19, hit port of Charleston on 6/28, and I was driving her on 7/3. So far, everything has gone without a hitch and everything seems to be working perfectly. Interestingly enough she came with Pirelli all season tires (205/55R 16 91H). Was curious as to the general consensous with regard to the Pirellis? Also, I am having trouble interpreting the tire pressure chart on the inside frame of the driver's door. If I am reading it correctly, I think for two passengers I should have the rears at 35psi and the fronts at 30psi. Does this seem correct? Currently it looks like they have 35psi all around. Anyway just stopped home for a bite to eat. Time to hit the road and work on that break in period! Thanks for all the great info.
Ummm, well the company I will be working with is still quite small (like $3.5 million per year) with only a few dozen employees in the U.S., three or four in Europe and they have a small semi-captive prototyping/tool and die/manufacturing outfit in Taipei. So, at this point, it may be a little early for them to be doing any hiring, that said, give us a year or two and things may change.
I'm on your side about the rattles and such, although I'm a bit more relaxed about them. I've had my car in to the dealer 3 times now for the seat belt rattles. The first time for the TSB "click" in which they broke a trim peice that necessitated two more trips to fix (one to order and one to install). The second time they just said they couldn't hear anyting so I told them to forget it. The last time (I had to try again cause being two inches from my ear, it drives me crazy), they just sprayed silicon everywhere. I took me 90 minutes to clean the car. I'm done trying, and living with it. Even though I'm 6'3", if I move the height adjuster down to the lowest level, the current "creaking" noise is better. The seat belt now goes around my shoulder instead of over it.
I also have occassional "popping" noises coming from the parcel shelf, but I'm not even going to try to get that fixed.
Like you, I still love the car for it's driving feel and handling (don't want a Lexus). I'd be surprised if you could only spend $6,000 for the upgrade even with ED. I've had the same thoughts about moving to the 5, but for me, I would want the 530, and without ED, I would be talking nearly $20,000 (including taxes) - that is crazier than living with a few rattles!
The latest Automobile magazine had the new Z4 on its cover and some pretty good spy shots to boot. The rear looks totally like an S2000 to me and I have mixed feelings about the front (the Mercury Cougar does come to mind) but overall, its styling looks fresh.
I read the article on long-term boots in Roundel last night. I thought you'd love that "2% science and 98% marketing" comment they made on all-season tires. Also, I think that although they try to sound upbeat about all the tires they reviewed, I could detect some irony when they were talking about those bionic Contis. They must have had a few chuckles writing that part ;o)
#18690 of 30250 Comparison on ED and USD and ED advice
Jul 04, 2002 (11:37 am)
I want to comment on the professionalism of my salesman here in the States, Ed Besl, The BMW Store in Cincinnati. I took my ED about 5 weeks ago and got a very quick run through in Munich. The guy was very young and appeared to be just getting comfortable with fluent English. His briefing was sufficient for safety but not entirely thorough. To be fair, I had 2 hours of sleep on the plane and was anxious to get 5 hours of driving in that day, that should also be coupled with the fact that it was the day before a holiday and very busy at the Friemann delivery center. That said, I've got to say that Ed at the BMW Store really did a thorough job of explaining EVERYTHING before I took it out on the road again, even though it was the very end of his day. I now really understand what I was tinkering with on the Autobahn while driving 95!
FWIW, try to avoid taking delivery before a holiday in Germany. I'd also have gotten in a day earlier or scheduled an immediate stop in Munich if I'd had a little more control over my schedule. Places to go, people to meet and all. Of course, sleep is overated..anyone with young kids will understand. Lastly, keep in mind that they give you a 50 Euro coupon for food at the cafe in the delivery center. Had I been thinking I'd have taken something with me!
Final word: Just took delivery yesterday and now the wife wants to replace her SUV as well. X5 is a possibility but doesn't have the 3rd row seat (an absolute must with 3 boys). It is interesting to see, without exception, the reaction to my new 325 from the salesman at the other dealerships. It's like their cars don't exist anymore!