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BMW 3 Series, Sedan
#18128 of 30250 My hat is off...
Jun 13, 2002 (4:50 am)
...to BMW, I heard yesterday that my brother-in-law was in a very serious accident in his 1990 E30 325i. It seems that a Dodge Durango ran a stop sign doing something north of 40 and "T-Boned" his BMW hard enough to spin the 325i 2.5 times (according to the police report and the skid marks) and total BOTH vehicles. After they cut my brother-in-law out of his car, they told him "You are lucky you were in a BMW, in other cars of this size after accidents like this, we usually need the MediVac helicopter, assuming that is, that anyone inside was still alive."
My brother-in-law is still very sore with some fractured and/or displaced ribs and pinched nerves in his neck so that his right arm/hand/fingers are numb (which is worrisome because he is a composer and pianist), but, he is alive to tell about it. He is absolutely convinced that the BMW saved his life, and were it that his enjoyment of his previous car wasn't enough, he says that he will absolutely replace the E30 with a newer E36 or E46, if for no other reason than the safety aspect.
Now all we need to do is find him a "Cream Puff" that he can easily go and fetch from the LA area.
#18129 of 30250 tten and purchase strategy
Jun 13, 2002 (4:52 am)
You might consider the strategy I employed when looking for my 325i here in Ohio. We have many fewer BMW dealers than TX but still well over 15 within 4 hours drive. I visited locally at my "preferred" location to get a test drive and information. I then used this board's insight to figure out the "right" deal, $1500 over plus floor mats. (If you do ED the floor mats come with it). I then called a few dealers with this request but didn't get very far. I switched to an all email tactic that paid off nicely. I sent all the out-of-town dealers an email asking for the above deal. Two of them bit and another came close. I then upped the ante some, and asked for 5 BMW T-shirts as well (one for everyone in the family). I sent email out to those three who came close and they didn't budge, and then followed with an email to my two local dealers. Surprisingly they came back with $1800 over and $1600 over including the t-shirts, with my "preferred" location being the best. They've been great to work with and I now feel confident I couldn't have gotten a better deal.
FWIW, I weighed the "cost" of traveling a few hours against the convenience of location. My break point was probably about $1 per mile (although this is completely arbitrary). I think it squares well with postoak's comment that the out of town dealers have nothing to lose by giving you a good deal, particularly on ED since it's not part of their allotment as I understand it. It seems also that most places have a designated internet salesperson who is generally willing to give a lower price than a floor salesmen, but this is just an impressions I got from talking with both (could be coincidence). Although the guy I bought from works the floor.
Finally, definately do ED. I think the experience alone is worth it even if it eats up all the money you save (although it doesn't have to). If price is an issue stay out in the country and avoid the cities. Parking is too hard to find in the cheap places and I wasn't prepared to leave my new ride on the street. There's also no other legal way (except maybe in Montana) to see what your car can do!
Jun 13, 2002 (5:32 am)
will get louder the higher you rev...
to the person who asked "why did bmw lighten the steering in the first place"... please reference all the posts about people wanting it to be quieter... your answer is in there somewhere...
geez, and i thought mine was too quiet, and even with the m3 catback it's still too quiet...
Jun 13, 2002 (5:56 am)
Glad to hear that your brother-in-law is OK.
Jun 13, 2002 (6:47 am)
that your bro-in-law is o.k. Maybe you can find a cream puff on one of the boards here. In the LA area (well south of there in Orange Co) you might try a Car Faire. There was a sweet-looking red 98 Z3 selling for 22,500 last week.
Jun 13, 2002 (7:16 am)
Sorry to hear about your brother-in-law. VERY happy to hear he is alive and recovering. Safety is probably the main reason I opted for the 3'er.
Safety features to me:
8, yes 8 airbags (2 front, 2 front side, 2 rear side, 2 head)
Hopefully he recover quickly from any soreness or injuries.
Why don't you, him, and Mrs. Shipo come out here in October to find a good car and you can take in the EAFB air show with me and my family!
#18134 of 30250 Purchase Strategy
Jun 13, 2002 (10:40 am)
Ok, there have been a few posts about the best way to find a good deal on a 3'er. I'll be looking for one next week and plan on contacting a bunch of dealers, so I'd like to here what anyone with an opinion has to say about the best way to go about that. Specifically:
Is it better to Phone, E-mail, or Fax?
Is it better to make an offer or let them make you an offer?
Any insights will be greatly appreciated.
Jun 13, 2002 (12:49 pm)
I e-mailed the dealers in my area. I also decided that my time and convenience had a value, and that I was willing to pay a little more to buy the car locally. From what another poster in my area says, I payed about $250 premium to avoid a 2-1/2 hour drive to Erie, PA, (from Pittsburgh) and I got the front lisence plate bracket change-out thrown in.
I e-mailed two dealers, telling them that I was looking for a 325i, and wanted them to call me to arrange a test drive. They both called within a day. After I had test driven a few cars, and decided what I liked, I e-mailed the remaining dealers in my area and setup appointments to talk deals. I then went to each (there were four and I got through three), with a written offer sheet. Nobody would make my deal ($1,500 over invoice + floor mats + plus plate bracket removal). Each got closer, though, until I settled for a little over $1,700 over invoice because I was just too fried to continue.
I'm not sure I'd advise this for everybody - its pretty stressful. I just wanted to do the best I could do locally, and pull the trigger that day. I also visited them in reverse order of where I wanted to buy, anticipating that subsequent offers would get better. I ended up buying from my preferred dealer, where I had done most of my test driving.
I probably could have gotten the car a wee bit cheaper, but what is $250 spread over 36 or 48 lease payments? Its newspaper change, so why drive 4-5 hours for it and then not get a loaner and a wash when the car is in the shop?
Jun 13, 2002 (1:01 pm)
I was pleasantly surprised by the engine noise in the 325i. It was aggressive enough to tell when the car was running (not like a Lexus), and quiet enough as not to be obtrusive. It wasn't as quiet as the A4 3.0, but was much quieter than the A4 1.8T. And, it only growls when you rev it high. Under normal driving, too me, its pretty quiet. Still, if you're looking for a Honda or a Lexus, you'll be disappointed.
I actually find road noise (tire rumble) and wind noise MUCH more objectionable than engine noise. Neither of those were a problem to me, with the 325i base tires. Of course, if you want SP handling/tires, you have to make the trade off in road noise.
Jun 13, 2002 (5:19 pm)
Love reading your info...I was in the mkt for a 3 sometime down the road...I was hoping you could give me an idea of what a good (and obtainable) lease price is for a 325i, 325xi, or 330i averagely equipped?