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Saab 9-5, Sedan
#2068 of 2237 Re: New 9-5 Aero electronics [sa29]
May 23, 2006 (12:09 pm)
Well this was also my biggest beef with Saab - right from delivery of mine in 2001 I went through this with them after day 3. Not the same problem and not as serious but just as p*d off. Saab owners have high expectations - as they should. Problems happen with any car. What makes the difference is how they are handled.
I now try to reduce as much monetary risk as I can when leasing and have a couple of rules I live by.
- no downpayment, no security fees, I will walk first.
- lease through the dealer (ie GMAC) this keeps the organization financially interested.
- remind the dealer when you need to that it is 'their' car and 'their' problem - your just borrowing it.
- be prepared to park it at the dealer and stop payment on the lease - it usually gets their attention - but of couse has consequences.
Try to always keep the ledger in your favor - sometimes, thats the only way they will listen.
#2069 of 2237 Re: New 9-5 Aero electronics [stmss]
May 23, 2006 (7:33 pm)
This is one of the dumbest postings I've seen in a long time. Stopping payment on a lease, even a GMAC lease, is about as smart as stopping payment on a car loan. Neither the dealer nor the manufacturer have any interest in it anymore. The lease has been sold, just like your mortgage. (Gee, I hope you don't stop payment on your mortgage when your roof leaks.)
Saab owners have high expectations and somewhat quirky personalities. Thats OK. But lets be business-like. If you feel that the dealer is nor performing as contracted, sue him. Don't futz around by leaving your 35K car at his dealership thinking that he will lie awake in his McMansion thinking about it. What he is lying awake at night pondering is how he can get out of such a loser brand and into a Bimmer franchise before he loses any more money on these sleds.
May 23, 2006 (8:46 pm)
I have recently replaced the entire audio system in my 03 Aero. Unfortunately, my onstar is on but I cannot hear it when activated. My tech says that he has almost exhausted all possible places to find a "cure" for the problem. Does anyone have any suggestions either how to fix this or where to go to find a fix?
#2071 of 2237 Re: New 9-5 Aero electronics [blckislandguy]
May 24, 2006 (6:43 am)
Missed my points.
1. Being 'business like' requires two parties and the dealer/manufacturer does not always cooperate with this - sorry 'your' problem.
2. Sueing costs me more money.
3. On a lease - It's not 'my' 35k car, on a loan - it is.
4. The house is 'my' house.
#2072 of 2237 Top 100 most reliable cars - SAAB 9-5 #20 on the list
May 24, 2006 (3:52 pm)
Top marks for the 9-5 in this study done by the people who know the goods - the warranty industry. The usual suspects, asian appliances led by Honda, inhabit the top 12. The 9-5 is the fourth best european on the list and easily outclasses its arch rival BMW 5 series which lands in 93rd place and 3 series in 65th. This 10 year study covers the entire run of the 9-5, very impressive result.Top 100 most reliable in past 10 years
#2073 of 2237 Re: New 9-5 Aero electronics [stmss]
May 24, 2006 (7:29 pm)
Sorry, we just don't agree:
1) One party to a relationship can be business-like without necessitating that the other side is business-like.
2) Sueing a merchant especially in states with consumer protection laws offerring treble damages (such as MA) can be very profitable with negligible up front filing fees.
3) People who lease often have a very limiited idea of their exposure and the need for GAP insurance. I don't think it is a good idea to leave a car that one has responsibility for in a hostile environment. Maybe you do.
4)Sure, with a house you have a title albeit with a lien holder and with a leased car you aren't the "owner". In both situations you have responsibilies, obligations, and exposure to risk and liabilities.
My main point which you haven't addressed is that the local Saab dealer and Saab/GM could care less what you do with your leased vehicle. They no longer have an economic interest in it. If you leave it on the dealer's property you stand a good chance of someone using a screwdriver to add pin stripes to your paint job. Flaws that you will have to repair at the end of the lease. After a couple of days parked on his lot, the dealer-principal will have it towed away. He will then go back to his five year business plan to get into a German franchise with what little money he has left, all the while muttering about the over-educated nerds who drive Saabs.
#2074 of 2237 Re: New 9-5 Aero electronics [blckislandguy]
May 25, 2006 (6:40 am)
Sorry, we just don't agree:
Your'e right - we don't.
#2075 of 2237 Re: Same Old Saab [paulr11]
May 25, 2006 (9:37 am)
Sorry to hear you have had problems with your Saab. On the bright side I own an 03 Aero that now has 62000.00 miles on it. I have taken extremely good care of the vehicle to the point that far exceeds the Saab requirements. I have never had any problems with this vehicle with the exception of having to change out my battery 400 miles ago. I have been reading all of these posts and wonder some times if it might be a lack of maintainance or taking care of the Saab that is the problem. Maybe I just got a good one but I love my 95 and would trade it for nothing out there. Besides, I am one of a very few in New Mexico that owns one and it certainly stands out everywhere I go, to include passing Toyota's and Honda's on the freeway. My question would be, when did GM get involved with the manufacturing of the Saab, could this be the problem?
#2076 of 2237 The Nature of the Beast/Bleat!!!
May 25, 2006 (11:52 am)
It would be hard if not impossible to name any other mechanism in our day to day life that we are more dependent on than our car.When IT breaks down and lets US down absolute chaos ensues.The end result is when the ONE car we own fails us...every car that manufacturer produces is at least suspect and more often than not now considered to be absolute Garbage!!Which is why we have to look at the big picture,such as the 10 year study of reliability the previous poster referred to.Any one of us is entitled to draw conclusions regarding the relative worth/reliability of OUR ONE car.In the science of statistics drawing any conclusions based on that one experience is statistically irrelevant and is known as "the lie of the small number"
#2077 of 2237 update on Saab 9-5 with electrical probs
Jun 05, 2006 (7:18 am)
So my car has been in the shop for almost 30 days now. Apparentley they are swapping out new parts in new cars to put in mine, to no avail. I am going to try to get out of my lease (2-yrs, have only had the car 4 months)since I feel this car is a lemon. I don't feel comfortable with they way they have handled the situation from the beginning, which initially was their crappy customer service. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to go about doing this?