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Saab 9-5, Sedan
#1925 of 2237 Re: DI Cassette failure [bobski]
Jul 14, 2005 (12:27 pm)
Please see my response #1923 to 'Jigga'
RE: Need Advice
I'm fed up with the lack of service, mishandling of service and now refusal of service from my local dealership; and, with Saab Cars giving me the run around regarding my 2000 95 wagon. The most recent problem is the Di module that they replaced gracious (though the car was out of warranty); but, installed it improperly and now the catalytic converter has burned up at 55,000 miles.
I'm the last person to resort to legal action; but, they are making it hard for me not to consider that to be my best option.
Any advice would be appreciated.
#1926 of 2237 cat converter
Jul 15, 2005 (4:33 am)
about 12 days ago i was driving my vette when it started to stall.
would idle fine and then on acceleration it would stall.
it was a total failure or blocking of the catalytic converter.
this ,it appears had been going on for many years. the car is a 1986 conv. pace car in showrrom condition.
the telltale signs were a ringing or like loose chain being handled.
the sound comes on at idle and you can hear it at the tail pipe.
if your tailpipe has a ringing sound to it ,or similar you may suspect that the cat conv. is falling apart.
in my case i only drive this vette about 1500 miles per year so it was a slow process.
my saab with 86,000 miles now, ( just drove it from vt/ct to fla. ) has a slight ringing to it at the tail pipe on first start,so it appears that the process is beginning.
i do have a spare di cassette with me . but the oe one does not appear to be failing.
i will look into this
#1927 of 2237 Re: cat converter [ffb13]
Jul 15, 2005 (10:01 am)
I'm apologize for 'rattling on' on this message board about the sobful woes of my lemon scented 2000 95 wagon!
What I really do need advice on is what is the relationship between a DI ignition cassette that fails because it was defective and the subsequent burning up of the catalytic converter?
Any advice? Thanks
#1928 of 2237 failed cat
Jul 16, 2005 (6:01 am)
i know of 2 things that will damage a cat.
1) raw fuel going into it
2) too much heat
both the above ,i am told , repeat ,i am told ,can happen when you have a bad dic.
also, and check this one out.
a failure of a cat conv. is a blockage that does not allow the gases out and they back up into the engine causing too much back pressure.
when you start the engine go to the muffler in the back and listen to it.
if you hear rattling sounds that may ,may be , the conv beginning to desintegrate and all that matter then settles and blocks the passage.
Jul 19, 2005 (6:47 pm)
You know, for the last four years we've read that Bob Lutz, Marine fighter pilot, blogger extrodinaire, private fighter jet owner, helicopter commuter, ladies man, Saab driver, etc. was going to turn GM product around. Hasn't happened. A week or so ago GM took away a lot of his responsibiliies and moved it into the President's office. Then I see in today's WSJ that GM has hired a Wall St. analyst to come on full time to give the GM President insights into how the world sees GM. This is nuts. What would a Wall Street guy know about how the world really works?
SAAB wouldn't be where they are today if a real car guy had been in charge of GM product development. The Car Guy's first memo would have been to SAAB management directing (note, not "suggesting") them to call Haldex by the close of business and begin making the entire line AWD. The second memo would be directing SAAB to air freight before the close of business that day a pallet load of the V6 engines to CA to have a 90 day crash program toward hanging a turbo off each bank. (If Audi can do it, why can't SAAB with far more turbo experience.) They could have called a twin turbo AERO, AERO TWO. The kids would have called it an AERO Deuce within 48 hours and sales would have rocketed. This didn't happen and Suburu and Volvo grabbed the winter niche and ate SAABs lunch.
I'm beginning to thing that Lutz is simply a handsome 73 year old who made too many airplane landings without putting the wheels down. (It is public knowledge that he has done this at least once.)
#1930 of 2237 not the place ...
Jul 19, 2005 (6:49 pm)
We're here to talk about the 9-5 specifically, not Lutz, not why Saab is where it is today and not GM in general. Have a look at our News & Views board - I'm sure you'll find the right place to pursue those thoughts.
Jul 19, 2005 (10:52 pm)
i agree wit mr. awd and twin turbo, how come we see audi doing it when saab has been using turbos more?! And the AWD, so not saab, even though saab never had it. Everything else with saabs are reasonable except for the fact that their isn't AWD even optional, at least on the real saabs. I hope GM doesn't think adding a trailblazer and WRX to the lineup will suffice the AWD in saab longings?
P.S. Sorry host, but just wanted to add that really quick...
#1932 of 2237 2001 9-5 troubles
Jul 20, 2005 (9:42 am)
I have a 2001 9-5 with 85,000 miles. At 55,000 miles (last summer) I had to replace the engine due to oil sludge and had to pay $ 3000. I have had nothing but trouble with this car. (worst decision I have ever made) Last week the O2 sensor need replacement - this week they say I need a catalytic converter for $1840. Oops & they will refund me for the O2 sensor. I have smoke coming from the car at start up and and waiting for the turbo to go. As the dealer said would happen with the sludge issue.
What to Do?
Can't trade - the resale on SAAB's is awful.
Any suggestions - I have contacted SAAB regarding a refund - they indicated tit wasn't probable.
Also - is the converter issue related at all to the sludge issue?
#1933 of 2237 Re: 2001 9-5 troubles [altbigd]
Jul 22, 2005 (3:25 pm)
While you are a bit vague on details, my impression is that you now have a '01 9-5 with 30K on a remanufactured engine. How complete was the engine that was installed last summer and what was the warranty? ($3000 probably did not get you a complete remanufactured engine and installation. It is too low.) Apparently the engine smokes on start up. You probably have worn valve guides on the engine which at 30K miles is the fault of the remanufacturer. Is the replacement engine still within warranty? If not and if you can't live with it, the cylinder head has to come off and be redone at your expense.
Not sure what you mean by "waiting for the turbo to go". But if you are having problems with your turbo maybe an independent shop could install a remanufactured-exchange one for you.
All in all, European car at 4 years and 85K miles will have some problems. But at least when it is running well you have the satisfaction of driving a 9-5.
#1934 of 2237 DI Casette on what year?
Jul 22, 2005 (7:47 pm)
I have seen a lot of reports of problems with the DIC. Is this a problem on all 9-5's or just a specific model year(s)? Please be specific. I am looking at a 2002 and want to know if it will have similar problems. The salesman told me that they are replacing the old DI casettes with upgraded ones that won't be so unreliable. Is this bull?