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#1874 of 2237 DI Cassette failure
Apr 11, 2005 (7:59 pm)
I saw a blurb or two about this under news for GM today (which has since been buried under news of earnings warnings and the like). The NHTSA's Office of Defects Investigation is starting a preliminary investigation into DI cassette failure. Below is word from the ODI website (sorry for the caps):
ODI HAS RECEIVED 35 REPORTS OF ALLEGED ENGINE STALLING DUE TO THE FAILURE OF THE IGNITION DISCHARGE MODULE (IDM) "CASSETTE" ON THE SUBJECT VEHICLES. TWELVE (12) COMPLAINTS WERE RECEIVED ON MODEL YEAR (MY) 2000-2002 SAAB 9-3 VEHICLES AND 23 ON MY 1999-2002 9-5 VEHICLES. ALL COMPLAINANTS REPORTED THAT THE ENGINE SHUT DOWN SUDDENLY WITHOUT WARNING AND MOST REPORTED THAT THE VEHICLE WOULD NOT RESTART. IN THREE (3) INCIDENTS, THE COMPLAINANTS REPORTED SMOKE AND/OR FLAMES RESULTED FROM THE IDM MODULE FAILURE. THE MAJORITY OF THE INCIDENTS REPORTEDLY OCCURRED BETWEEN 40 TO 75 MPH. AT LEAST FIVE (5) COMPLAINANTS REPORTED DAMAGE TO THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER FROM RAW FUEL BEING PUMPED THROUGH THE ENGINE. IN ADDITION, TWO (2) COMPLAINANTS, SHOWN IN "OTHER" IN THE FAILURE REPORT SUMMARY ABOVE, ATTRIBUTED NON-STALL DRIVABILITY PROBLEMS TO THE DAMAGED IDM. A PRELIMINARY EVALUATION HAS BEEN OPENED TO ASSESS THE SCOPE, FREQUENCY, AND POTENTIAL SAFETY-RELATED CONSEQUENCES OF THE ALLEGED DEFECT.
#1875 of 2237 Re: Pics of my AERO [aeronaut]
Apr 12, 2005 (1:08 pm)
Wow! That looks really nice. But the back looks kinda like a Vectra? I hope the inside isn't all GM. And is that V6 gonna be turbo? So many things that they can screw up...
#1876 of 2237 Re: Pics of my AERO [saaboy]
Apr 12, 2005 (9:25 pm)
actually I'd like to take back my last comment. Even though I like the headligts and wedge shape, it doesn't have: traditional 9-5 hood shape, no bumper/style line thing going acroos side of car, and it doesn't have the side blinkers.
#1877 of 2237 auto headlights?
Apr 13, 2005 (10:25 am)
I just bought my first saab. 01 9-5 base auto with premium package. off lease 50000 miles paid 13K for it. Is this a decent price? Also do the headlights come on automatically if left in the daytime running light position? Thanks for any input.
#1879 of 2237 Re: SHUT OFF [blckislandguy]
by j umberger
Apr 15, 2005 (8:25 am)
geez blckislandguy, I go out of town for a few weeks and you turn into a wise guy!
Actually, you are exactly right, which is why I'm so frustrated. We are Saab's exact target market. We want a solid and safe car, unique styling, thoughtful engineering and a vehicle that's nice to look at. We will put up with less-than-Lexus reliability and quality, but when the company does not stand behind their product and does not respond to customer safety concerns, that's when I become frustrated. I was glad to see some press on the stalling/transmission issue finally. There is a problem out there.
Not sure where you're seeing all the Audi reliability problems - they seem to be rating close to saab everywhere I look. And everyone I know who has one loves it. Then again, their customer service is top notch, so some problems may be easily forgotten.
re: resale, my Saab 9-5 was black/tan with 30,000 miles on it. Perfect condition. I thought I mentioned I paid $30k, not the sticker, which was $36k. $15k would have been fine, but $9-$12k is lousy.
#1880 of 2237 Re: SAAB 2001 - New Buyer [stan18]
by j umberger
Apr 15, 2005 (12:14 pm)
I'm in Southern CA
Retail and private listings may be higher - I see them in the high teens, but that's about it.
The $9k was a wholesaler quote through the dealer. That's what wholesalers are willing to pay for the car from a dealer, meaning trading a Saab is not an option.
Apr 17, 2005 (12:48 pm)
After reading through all the posts I'm a little concerned about reliability after 60K miles. I bought a used 01 9-5 base with 50K miles and plan to use the car to commute anywhere from 100 to 250 miles a day. Should I be worried about reliabitily after the 60K miles? Any input would be appreciated.
#1882 of 2237 Re: SAAB 2001 - New Buyer [j umberger]
Apr 22, 2005 (12:53 pm)
I understand the difference between wholesale and retail, and why you cannot expect to trade a car for the same price as you see listed in the classifieds. However, there is typically a relationship between the two numbers, and I doubt if the retail markup is >50% (my logic: I see listings for cars in lower 20s retail (mostly posted by local dealers), probably selling for near 20 (give or take)... so guessing if a dealer is willing to sell near 20, then wholesale is near 15... but this is all speculation... I'm in sales, but not car sales).
I guess Saabs are cheaper in So CA... not too much of a surprise since front-wheel drive is probably seen as a disadvantage in this market segment since it never snows and rarely rains. Since I live "up north" (Chicago with frequent trips to Wisconsin and Michigan), I'd rather not have a rear wheel drive car.
#1883 of 2237 Re: 60k+ miles [rwouell]
Apr 22, 2005 (12:56 pm)
The conventional wisdom is that with proper maintenance, a 9-5 will run a long, long time. Check out www.saabnet.com. There are a lot of folks over there with high mileage 9-5s that can help you if you have problems and/or warn you of the common major service items.
Also remember that when you look at any car forums or bulletin board, you will see many problems. This is usually the purpose of a forum, to discuss problems. People without problems usually do not post. It is rare to see a post like "50K troublefree miles!!!" (it's not because this doesn't happen, but rather most people have better things to do than post their non-events to a forum).