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Saab 9-5, Sedan
Jun 09, 2003 (7:48 pm)
I am a new reader and have noticed numerous posts regarding tires on the 9-5 particularly the Aero. It's kinda crazy that Saab would equip the Aero (mine's a 2002) with the Primacy(s) here in Wisconsin. Mine are up in the attic.
I did some pretty thorough research on tires that fit the Aero, not really wanting to come up with the cash to buy the rim combos, though they weren't a bad deal, and not really wanting to give up the performance the Michelins gave. I settled on the Sumitomo HTR+ and feel like I lucked out. It's a bit softer, but not that much and it is absolutely great in snow and ice. I have about 6000 on them now and great wear so far.
The dealer informed me right away that I was in for a change when the foul weather came and then unbelievably told me that a number of his custys kept the Prim's on last winter. Yes it was an easy winter. But I will tell you this - driving the Aero with the Mich's in winter, even with all of the wonderful safety devices that come with the car, is like taking an out of control saucer ride down the toboggan slide. I know you northern folks know what I'm talking about.
Love the car.
#1459 of 2237 Repair services in Ma.
Jun 11, 2003 (5:01 am)
Can anyone recommend are service station in the Worcester Ma area? My 1999 9-5 has 120K miles on it (bought it new)and is going to my daughter. The next appointment at my dealer is 2 1/2 weeks away and I prefer not to wait. I'd like to car to get a thorough inspection.
Thanks in advance for any advice,
#1460 of 2237 Need some advice on Saab 9-5
Jun 11, 2003 (6:49 am)
Here is my background- I have always driven Japanese cars. I usually buy them two years old with some mileage and drive them for about 5 or 6 years at 20,000 per year. My last car was a Nissan Maxima with 130,000 miles and not one problem until it was stolen last week.
I looked at another used Maxima but decided it was time for a change. I was considering a 2001 fully loaded V6 Accord for $17,500, but saw and test drove a 2000 Saab 9-5SE and really liked it. I can get into the SE with 30,000 miles for slightly under $20,000 and am comparing it to the Accord and Maxima. My questions (and concerns) are as follows:
1) The obvious question is reliability. I am a big Consumer Reports advocate and I saw they bumped the reliability up from average to above average. It seems to be based on reliability improvements (especially electrical) made after the 1999 model year. Do most owners agree with that assumption? I plan on putting about 150,000 miles on it and have no fear of that number with Nissan or Honda, but do most of you expect to get 150,000 miles without major problems?
2) The second question is also related to reliability and cost of repairs. I have had two people tell me that if something goes wrong, it will be much more expensive to fix then if it were a similar item on a Japanese car. Is this true?
3) I read something about the tires being performance tires that should only be used in good weather. I'm not sure if that's true for the SE or only the Aero.
4) What kind of gas is used in the 2000 SE? Regular or premium? If it's premium, with the mileage I put on, I need to factor that in to my higher monthly payments
5) I also saw a 2001 9-5 SE through a Saab dealer on the internet that I could pick up for around $21,000. Were there any real differences between the 2000 and 2001? This dealer is about two and a half hours away from me, but I would make the drive if the car not just newer in years, but also look and/or reliability.
Thanks in advance for any answers you can give me.
#1461 of 2237 some answers for amy
Jun 11, 2003 (8:28 am)
(1) Yes. Yes.
(2) Yes. In general European cars will be more expensive to repair due to the cost of parts.
(3) The SE uses 16" touring tires whereas the Aero 17" performance. Any of the cars you mentioned will benefit from a top quality tire which will be priced accordingly.
(4) Gotta use premium due to the turbo motor. Also most Saab owners highly recommend using full synthetic motor oil (like Mobil One or similar) to protect the engine and the turbo from the added heat. Saab recommends at least a semi synthetic oil but you'll find full synthetics of better quality.
(5) No real diffs between '00 and '01. The 9-5 received a major makeover in '02. But the general consensus is the newer the 9-5, the better and more reliable it is.
Happy Saab shopping
Jun 11, 2003 (9:30 am)
Just what I was looking for. I recognize a few of the names. Thank you for your help.
#1464 of 2237 to amyshubby
Jun 14, 2003 (2:35 pm)
i have always been told by experienced mechanics that a saab is a car that you must sell at 60,000 miles or it will nickel and dime you to death......
my experience with the aero 2000 has been so-so.
new computer 4 times ,new fan for the motor,left me stranded .....
and other.about 6 other failures.
now ,at 51,000 miles ,(4 weeks ago or so ) my dealer told me that i needed a new exhaust,have an oil leak from the head gasket,and need a new cowl......
he waited until i was out of warranty.......but,i think this dealer's mechanics are on a commision basis and ........took the car to a gas station and put it up......
the exhaust has rust on the outer layer.but it should give me another 2 years or so.but a good aftermarket ss unit is 300.$.
the oil leak nowhere to be found.......
the cowl.........i cannot see why it needs replacement ,maybe one of you experts can tell me.
my tires ,michelin mxm pilots ,with 52,000 miles have only 3/32 left out of 10/32 when new,or another 6,000 miles or so.--the car has 58,000 miles now but i run snow tires when i amin ct. in the winter.
i am looking to replace them soon and posted here about the goodyear f1 but no one has replied.
so,if you are asking ----to choose between a honda,acura or toyota and saab. with 2 years of use.......
i will go with
and forget saab.........too many unknowns on this car and poor reputation from those who know,the mechanics.....
or,i tell you what ,go to consumers union and check on the ratings.but remember,the saab rating is based on year to date........look at back issues and you will see that in the past saab have been very poor and now,is the promise that saab is now better.......
maybe,but it is a gamble and if you have limited income to gamble ,go to honda or toyota camry or lexus 300es-------
you cannot go wrong here. but ,i am not recommending,just giving you my objective view,ande suggest that you go to past issues of c.u.--they have excellent data.
#1465 of 2237 New Saab owner
Jun 15, 2003 (11:12 am)
I just purchased my first Saab. My previous cars have been Hondas, Nissans, and most recently a Subaru. All have been good cars. The Nissans had a few ignition module problems in the 80's. When I bought my 2003 9-5 linear I was looking for used AWD safe European cars (Audi,MB,Audi,Volvo). All were nice cars but CR says they have dependability problems. On a whim I stopped by the Saab dealership, but then realized no AWD cars. Apparently, they do well in the snow because of FWD in addition to TC and SC. Then I tried to find a 1-2 year old car, hard to find. I started looking at 2003's and they seemed to give you alot of car for the money. I negotiated a price 5.1K below MSRP. Later found out that factory to dealer money was available and some people were getting 6-7K off of MSRP. Called another dealer across state and they told me upfront about the factory to dealer cash. I sort of feel like a chump. In this day and age invoice and MSRP don't mean anything until you thoroughly search for all incentives and that can take some work. I am hoping that reliability problems are in the past. Opted out of extended warrantee which would have cost me 2.1K. Also didn't get simoniz for exterior paint which would have cost$499. After I found out that I could have gotten a better deal I tried to approach the dealer about getting the extended warrantee at dealer cost which they claimed was $1800 and so would sale for $2000 instead of $2100. I didn't believe them so I still don't have a warrantee. Since my car is new I have four years to think about it. I have loved driving the car so far.
Jun 15, 2003 (6:11 pm)
we have a 2 year old 9-5.
look at it this way, if you have a good car the warranty isn't a big deal, you are covered for 50k. you can shop around for a gm warranty in the mean time, from what i understand.
legitimate issues we have had, are rear seat heaternot working, and sid losing columns a couple of times, headlight bulbs burning out(drive in and they are replaced).
another issue(resolved) that maybe was just a moneymaker.
regrding winter driving, the tc works, but it's not like a 4wd system. snow tires will definetly help, so buy a tire\wheel package, if you are going to keep the car. it probably cheaper in the long run, and will keep your wheels looking good.
if you post what state you live in, maybe you can get some feedback on the dealer.
from what i understand, another resource is saabnet.com
Jun 18, 2003 (10:21 am)
My Saab 2000 9-5(61K) died on the highway. Took it to repair place. They had to replace ignition cassette. since then engine light has been on. They think it is oxygen sensor from starting.
Has anybody had similar problems? Is this the start of a downhill trend?