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#10994 of 12742 bpeebles... by vocus Apr 22, 2003 (8:34 pm)
Uh, he said 'faster'....
#10995 of 12742 What kind of tires are stock? by renfrew Apr 23, 2003 (5:39 am)
Hi,    I have a 2002 1.8T. Wife has a 2002 Beetle 2.0. Both came with Michelin tires. Saw someone post about a 2003 VR6 with Goodyears and was wondering if VW switched to that brand? I thought they just switched to Michelin? (which i like better than the goodyears)   thanks
#10996 of 12742 by 8u6hfd Apr 23, 2003 (9:15 am)
they keep 3 brands on hand:   Goodyear Michelin Continentals
#10997 of 12742 tires by renfrew Apr 23, 2003 (9:18 am)
so is it luck of the draw? or some logic behind what you get?
#10998 of 12742 vocus -- QUICKER by bpeebles Apr 23, 2003 (9:33 am)
There is a significant difference between "faster" and "quicker" in the world of automobiles.   "quicker" most often means ACCELERATION.... ie 60foot time or 1/4mile time. This can be directly mapped to available TORQUE from the engine.   "Faster" usually refers to top speed.... but can also refer to ET speed thru a roadcourse. This is attributed more to the handling characteristics of a vehicle and the driver skill.   Of course, a vehicle can be made to be "quick" or "fast" by just changing the gearing of the final drive ratio.   Gearing for a fast top speed means that the accelleration is like a slug (very slooww)   Gearing for accelleration (quicker) will hurt the MPG on long trips because the engine is always at high RPMs even in high gear.
#10999 of 12742 good grief by blueguydotcom Apr 23, 2003 (10:20 am)
Wouldn't we say a lotus elise is faster than a jetta 1.8t? top end on the jetta's higher but the lotus sprints to 60 in 5.5 seconds. I'd consider it the faster car.   quicker may be the absolutely correct term from an English scholar's point of view, but I never hear car buffs starting, "The 911 turbo is quicker than the standard 911." Most of us say faster.   vernacular it's an odd thing.
#11000 of 12742 tires by chmeeee Apr 23, 2003 (3:42 pm)
Did the 1.8T and the 2.0 have the same size wheels? That might be a big factor on what type of tire you get, they might stock different sizes in different brands.
#11001 of 12742 blueguydotcom by bpeebles Apr 23, 2003 (6:50 pm)
With all due respect... in the world of automobiles QUICKER is the term used for the Lotus. It is neither just semantics nor proper english...   When it comes to QUICK -vs- FAST, the dragstrip is where this stuff is decided. There is such a thing as a vehicle doing the 1/4 mile with a FASTER speed but a SLOWER time than another vehicle.... it is NOT the QUICKEST car! (but is the FASTEST) Too bad the awards are given to the QUICKEST ET!   BTW... I am going to NED (New England Dragway) this weekend for the "import wars"... this is a GREAT competition. All of the street ricers that think they have fast cars are EMBARRASSED by the Dodge 2.2L turbocharged vehicles.   It is a tad humorous to see a Honda Cvic with $10,000 worth of go-fast goodies get clobbered by my buddies $2000 1991 Dodge Shadow. (320HP!!)   Since this is a Jetta forum... yes the VWs do respectably well too.
#11002 of 12742 tires by renfrew Apr 24, 2003 (4:15 am)
1.8T has 15s, and the 2.0 has 17s.
#11003 of 12742 It is semantics and both of you are right in a way by renfrew Apr 24, 2003 (4:28 am)
bpeebles is right that in the context of the automobile world, these words have different meaning. He is wrong in saying that it is not semantics, because technically quick and fast have the same meaning. But in this context their relationship is different. And that is what semantics is.   Blueguydotcom is right in saying that most people that are not totally into the details of this world would probably just say faster without thinking twice. Most people that have an appreciation of cars do so with an eye for the visual or the physical components. They do not often extend that to thinking if the verbiage they are using best describes the situation.   In other words, the layman is going to use whatever word they would normally use in regular conversation. The one who is immersed in the automotive world a little deeper is going to use and understand the proper terminology.   Have fun this weekend! I have a friend that dragraces his civic in NE. Always gets blown away by something you would not expect. Glad to hear the VW's give a respectable showing.

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