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#2333 of 2634 Re: Just got my new used 2002 Deville [ladymylady]
Jun 26, 2007 (7:22 am)
Thanks for the congrats lady. But I just got the base Deville. I like the base Deville's a little better than the DHS & DTS. And the reason is a silly one. Its because of the digital dash board. On the DHS & DTS I noticed that the dash board had both, the dial speedometer & RPM gauge, along with the digital speedometer. I didnt like the dial speedometer & RPM gauge, I like the whole thing to be digital, which is how the base Devilles come. I guess the new Deville's, which are all called DTS's, all come with both, the dial speedometer and RPM gauge and the digital. So I hope they go back to the all digital. I know it seems silly but that is how I like my car.
And no I didnt get the back up buttons. But there was a 2004 Deville I was looking at that I almost got but they wouldnt come down to the price I was willing to pay. But that one had the airconditioned seats. I really wanted that option, but maybe next time.
As for the turning ratio on my new 2002 Deville, it is actually a little better than my 98 Deville. On my 98 Deville the front end was actually a little longer than the 2002 I have now. It also seems not as wide as the 98, but Im pretty sure the wheel base is listed as the same. I just think it is an all around better ride. And that is saying alot because even though my 98 had 160,000 miles on it, it still drove awesome.
Im trying to think what your 93 Deville look liked. I will try to find one online so I can get an idea. But on your 2002 DHS your Cadillac insignia is right on the grill right? I am pretty sure on the DHS's and DTS's the insignia was put right in the front grill as opposed to the base Deville that has the insignia as a hood ornament. But just use the middle of your front end as where your insignia should be. Once you get the hang of your car I am sure you will do just fine parking it. Hopefully. hehe
#2334 of 2634 Re: Pics of dexcool results in Hotel1's post [ladymylady]
Jun 26, 2007 (7:39 am)
I did not have any problems with dexcool in my 98 Aurora or my 2002 Seville. The one thing that is important is to monitor the coolant levels and have any loss of coolant checked out and repaired quickly. Adding coolant without finding out the reason for the lost fluid may result in the problems that you are raving about.
#2335 of 2634 Class Action Lawsuit on Northstar Engine failures
Jun 29, 2007 (12:37 pm)
My 1999 Cadillac is just back from the dealer after a $5.0 K cylinder head replacement job at 63,000 miles after always having been regularly maintained by a Cadillac dealer. This is a design/material/assembly problem that was built into the engine the day it left the production line. Instead of standing behind their product,Cadillac is hiding behind their warranty. Cadillac offers no relief of any kind since the car is "out of Warranty" Is there a class action lawsuit on this product deficiency that I can join. Any help will be appreciated.
#2336 of 2634 Re: Class Action Lawsuit on Northstar Engine failures [virginian1]
Jun 30, 2007 (1:39 am)
You said 'cylinder head replacement job', but I bet you mean a head gasket job.
Nope, no class action I know of.
Why don't you find a law firm and get one started?
Head gasket failures are a very well known failure for Northstar engines.
#2337 of 2634 Re: Class Action Lawsuit on Northstar Engine failures [virginian1]
Jun 30, 2007 (12:32 pm)
Somewhere I saw an article that 28 states have lawsuits against GM concerning various problems "caused by dexcool" but here's todays
from Detroit Press/Aftermarket News:
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Ruling is Near on GM Engine Coolant: Class Action Sought over Dex-Cool
In Wednesday, May 24, 2006 Issue, Category:OE News
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Posted: May 24, 2006, 9 a.m., EST
From Detroit Free Press
A federal judge may soon rule whether General Motors Corp. will face a national class action suit accusing GM of selling millions of vehicles with a faulty coolant.
The suits stem from GM's use of Dex-Cool, a coolant it first introduced in its vehicles in 1995 and sold in more than 35 million cars and trucks between 1995 and 2004. According to GM, 14 federal and state lawsuits seeking class-action status have been filed against GM over a variety of engine problems linked to Dex-Cool.
Customers have complained of problems ranging from small coolant leaks to complete radiator and engine failure. Court documents show that GM has received tens of thousands of repair requests related to Dex-Cool and engine gaskets in the affected models and considered recalls for some models.
The company has issued several technical bulletins to its dealers about cooling-related problems in the engines, but says it prefers to handle customer complaints on a case-by-case basis.
When GM introduced the orange-colored Dex-Cool, it said in owners manuals that Dex-Cool could last up to five years or 100,000 miles without being replaced, and later extended Dex-Cool's life to 150,000 miles. Dex-Cool uses a different set of chemicals to protect engine parts than traditional green-colored coolant, which requires more frequent replacement, and GM was the first U.S. automaker to use it.
Attorneys for the owners say that clause means GM should repair any Dex-Cool-related problems, even if they crop up outside the engine's typical three-year or 36,000-mile engine warranty.
"What we're looking for is to have GM step up and honor its warranty obligation," said Eric Gibbs, a San Francisco attorney and one of the lead lawyers for the owners. "There's a significant public interest in this problem, no question about that."
GM claims that the owners manual clause was not a warranty, but a service interval. In its court filings, the automaker says Dex-Cool "has performed without problems in the vast majority of GM vehicles."
"The recent motion to certify a class action is unfortunate," said GM spokeswoman Geri Lama, "and the situation with our customers has been grossly overstated through unsubstantiated allegations in statements which have not been proven in court and will be vigorously defended."
Six of the federal lawsuits have been consolidated in a federal court in East St. Louis, IL, U.S. District Judge G. Patrick Murphy could rule at any time whether the cases, which have about 100 named plaintiffs, should be granted class-action status, meaning they could represent millions of former and current GM owners.
Three similar lawsuits has been filed in Canada, while a state lawsuit in Missouri has already won class-action status, a decision GM is appealing.
The troubles blamed on Dex-Cool range from leaking coolant to blown engines, and often include failed intake manifold gaskets, pieces that rest between the engine block and the air intake to prevent coolant and oil from leaking. Replacing a gasket usually runs about $700, but a bad gasket can cause enough damage that the engine has to be replaced.
Mixing Dex-Cool with another coolant can cause other problems, and GM doesn't recommend using other coolants in Dex-Cool engines, although some mechanics do swap coolants.
About 110 complaints of coolant leaks in the GM vehicles targeted by the lawsuit have been filed with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, according to a Free Press review. The agency rejected a call for a defect investigation in 2002, saying the problems weren't safety related and was therefore outside its purview.
Many of the complaints say the problems appear to begin around 60,000 miles, well beyond the engine's warranty but sooner than many customers believe they should have problems with their cooling systems. A few have been reported as early as 20,000 miles.
Mark Reynolds, a radiator repair shop owner in San Carlos, CA, says he sees one or two GM vehicles a week with Dex-Cool problems. A typical repair requires flushing the cooling system and in some cases taking the radiator apart.
"It's a shame -- vehicles in their fourth or fifth year with this awful, gooey mud attacking the top of the radiator cap and fouling up the radiator," he said.
GM has argued against certifying the lawsuit as a class action, noting that state courts in Michigan and California have already turned down similar lawsuits. It contends that the plaintiffs want to represent past and present owners who don't have any problems, and that they "complain of just about everything that can go wrong with a vehicle, attributing every bit of it to Dex-Cool."
Lama said if a GM customer has a problem beyond the warranty, GM has a process for dealing with it through its dealers.
"The first priority of General Motors and its dealers is helping our customers," Lama said.
#2338 of 2634 Re: Class Action Lawsuit on Northstar Engine failures [bolivar]
Jul 01, 2007 (10:42 pm)
Thank you very much for your post! While I recently traded my 2004 Deville for a 2006 DTS, I appreciate the fact that important information like this is posted at this site as it will be most helpful to current owners. I have been surprised that these valuable owners forums don't have more posts regarding potentially important issues relating to the overall ownership experiences and issues.
#2339 of 2634 2006 DTS deals in the midwest?
Jul 27, 2007 (7:03 am)
Anyone seeing any deals on 2006 or 2007 DTS's with low miles on dealer lots in the midwest? I have heard there won't be as many low mileage program cars available due to rentals being limited and GM executive vehicles being kept for longer periods driving up the mileage. Not many low mileage DTS's on dealer's lots in southern Indiana.
#2340 of 2634 Load leveler problem in 89 Deville
Jul 29, 2007 (5:33 pm)
My father-in-law is having a problem with his battery draining. The shop told him that it was coming from his load leveler. So the mechanic disconnected the load leveler. Dad wants to know if he puts heavy duty shocks on the car if he can keep the load levelers disconnected.
#2341 of 2634 Re: Load leveler problem in 89 Deville [scoatw]
Jul 29, 2007 (5:42 pm)
Do a search on this forum. I think there was a reply earlier that talked about doing away with the special shocks on some models and replacing them with normal shocks and disabling the ride light on the dash. You might even ask your local parts store if they have ever been involved with a customer doing this. Good luck.
#2342 of 2634 Re: Class Action Lawsuit on Northstar Engine failures [ladymylady]
Aug 07, 2007 (6:18 am)
ANYMORE INFO ON THE CLASS ACTION LAW SUIT. I JUST HAD TO PAY $3700 TO REPAIR A BLOWN HEAD GASKET ON MY 1998 STS.