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Cadillac DeVille, Sedan
Mar 08, 2006 (5:16 pm)
The opinion of CU is that one should avoid the 00-03 (and 05) Devilles as used cars because of their bad reliability record. My '03 (a terrible year according to CU) just turned 50,000 miles with no warranty work other than a new radio early on (CDs were skipping) and repair of a wind noise (which involved parts and labor worth about $900). The car gets about 16 in town and 28-31 on the road (depending on the tailwind) and has been pretty much troublefree. I also recently sold an '01 Malibu (another one of CU's troublesome cars) at 90k miles. During its life it required an intake manifold gasket, an ignition module, and a couple of sets of brakes. Big deal. I feel that the people who are sending the questionnaire back to CU are mainly the people with problems. I'd rather get advice on what cars are reliable from dealership mechanics who actually work on them. These folks can be your best friends if you need advice. Of course CU loves anything Japanese. The Lexus and Avalon are the greatest cars ever built. CU conveniently omits any mention of the astronomical maintenance costs for these cars if you follow the book. Drop by a Lexus service department sometime and look at the maintenance "recommendations" up on the wall just for laughs. I do follow the book and I can't afford a Lexus!
Mar 08, 2006 (9:57 pm)
Yes I agree, have never tried to sell a car myself. As you said and it makes sense, it's up to the dealer to assess the cars condition at the time of the trade not mine. Was out in windy rainy weather today and the car handled just great, I have enjoyed both my Cadillacs!
Mar 17, 2006 (10:00 pm)
Have any of the recent Deville (model years 2000 -2005)owners driven and or bought one the the new Cadillac DTS autos? Since this is the successor to the Deville am curious as to how the car compares with the 2000 - 2005 Deville.
#2097 of 2635 Re: 2006 CADILLAC DTS [bremertong]
Mar 18, 2006 (3:52 am)
BREM.........Been wanting to check one out up
close. The "refresh" looks pretty good.......
Weather here in central NY has been miserable for
looking or test driving a new DTS up close !
I HATE to bug a poor sales person for a test ride
if I am not interested in buying soon.
I am drooling for the new GM 07 2500 pickup to roll
out tho.! But will have to wait till next spring
when GM rolls them out. But with their money troubles
I am sure they will push them out sooner than that !
I WILL have one ASAP !
My poor truck takes a whippin' heavy towing, snowplowing,
and hauling so I dump them every 3 years !!!!!!!!
My 03 Caddy will be around till 08 at least.
Get your oil leak issue settled yet?
#2098 of 2635 Re: 2006 CADILLAC DTS [bremertong]
Mar 18, 2006 (9:05 pm)
There is almost no leaking at this point so the change of the oil filter adapter gasket may have resolved but will need a little more time to see.
I generally trade up every three years so will be following the new DTS to see how it compares in various aspects with the Deville.
#2099 of 2635 95 Concours reliability -- long term?!
Mar 21, 2006 (9:14 pm)
Have the opportunity to pickup a very well cared for 95 Cadillac Concours w/Northstar -- 72K miles, inside and out immaculate, no apparent leaks -- very clean but engine compartment not detailed to cover up anything, so trust what I see is indeed the current state of things. The dealer pulled records for me and initially at least appears to have been well cared for with coolant flushes, tranny, etc. Ziebarted with no signs of rust anywhere underneath. New H2O pump and AC compressor this last month.
Realized that the back left speakers are not working. Assume it's a stock Delco CD/Cassette AM FM radio (doesn't say Bose on the face)-- don't know if it's a connection problem, an amp problem in the radio . . . or ? nor how much that might cost.
It does have a factory sunroof, which I'd just as soon not have (I'm 6'2" and hit my head on the headliner in most cars, but is room in this one with seat down) -- are their sunroofs reliable and leak free over the long haul?
I AM concerned about reliability of the Northstar over the long haul -- I keep cars for a very long time -- do all my own work, but have no experience on Northstars. Was talking with a very well know engine rebuilder here in Dayton OH that cautioned me about their tendency to lose threads (head bolts) -- have to drill out and put in helix to repair . . . with possible ongoing problems. (Said to set aside $3-4K if I ever had them pull it to redo the heads) But then again I hear overall they're a decent engine . . . ?
I realize, alot depends on the driver. My 73 Toronado was written up by CU (way back then) as a car to stay away from. Still have mine (but as a station wagon now) and have had no significant problems! . . . but then again, do all my own maintenance, repairs and rebuilds.
Sooo would like to hear from those of you that have first hand experience with the Concours (or Northstar engine)-- please let me know the level of maintenance -- self, dealer or independent -- and what problems you've had OR not had.
Also, I'm get conflicting comments as to using regular or premium . . . or plus fuel. One very well respected business operator said that running it on regular would not harm the engine . . . BUT, most realized enough mileage incease using the plus to justified the increase cost. How about it? What's your experience? What about the computer(s), ABS, suspension, cooling, AC, electrical, etc. Thanks!!!
Now all that said, a neighbor has a 94 Cadillac Deville (not Concours) 106K miles but without the Northstar engine . . . (she's asking $5000 . . . which tho always garaged and taken care of . . . I think is too much. AND, the lady with the 95 Concours wants $6000, which here again, b/c of the soft car market I think is too much as well.)
#2100 of 2635 Re: 95 Concours reliability -- long term?! [fwdbuilder]
Mar 22, 2006 (7:58 am)
I think that the northstar's problems with head bolts is related to coolant leaks around the head gaskets. So, it is important to monitor the coolant level and have any loss checked out. One does not want the water pump to fail with the engine overheating as a result. The engine will not be damaged from overheating, but the head gaskets may fail. Aluminum engines are a mixed bag.
First generation northstars (built from 1993-1999) were designed for premium, but may get by ok on lower octane fuel. Second generation northstars will run on regular, but produce maximum performance on premium. Difference in price is 20 cents per gallon here, and that is two hundred dollars on 1000 gallons, which should give you about 20,000 miles of travel. I average about 23 to 24 MPG running about, so for me, 1000 gallons is about two years of driving.
#2101 of 2635 Re: 95 Concours reliability -- long term?! [fwdbuilder]
Mar 22, 2006 (8:16 pm)
I had a 95 Concours, bought at 12,000 miles, a 2-year lease return car. I got a Cadillac 'certified' warranty which took it to 5 years total. Sold it when it went out of this extended warranty, only about 33,000 miles then.
This car, especially for such a low milage car, had lots of problems. Because of the certified warranty, it never cost me a dime. My wife loved it, and the second one I bought, but they scare me to death.
Traction Control error light, dealer said it was a 'loose connection'.
It ate batterys, dead if car not driven daily. Dealer fixed by replacing the radio(???), but this stopped dead battery.
Interior lights stayed on. Dealer replaced 2 or 3 relays or whatever. When I got it home and got out of it, the lights stayed on. Dealer replaced some other relays or something. These repairs took 3 or 4 days each.
When I got it home, it leaked a puddle of antifreeze before I moved it into the garage. Took it back, they replaced water pump in about 45 minutes. Pump in stock and done quick, because they fail a lot I figgered.
Windshield was not sealed for about 8 inches across the bottom, cold air blew in on my hands while driving it. Glass place said it was a replacement glass, asked if it was a lease car, said they have glass places replace broken glass while they are sitting in the big auction lots, right out in the open. He got the glass out without breaking and resealed it.
Door lock switch on drive door just 'pushed into the door panel'. I looked at this when they were fixing, the plastic clips on the inside had broken and it had been repaired by duct taping the switch to the panel.
Motor made what I surely though was 'stuck lifter click'. I've since found out that it was probably a carbon buildup on a piston. Dealer repaired, probably by driving the heck out of it and busting the carbon loose. The noise came back just as I was selling it. Using premimum gas causes this buildup, (the carbon knock), and excessive use of oil (caused by carbon stuck oil rings). Aggessive acceleration, often, will keep the carbon buildup on the cylinder top and rings reduced and help both these problems. Oh, yes, the 95 also developed high oil use (1 quart in about 600 miles), but this dropped off when the dealer worked on the carbon knock.
There seems to have been more problems, but I don't remember them just now.
The Northstar head gaskets leaks are not caused by failing water pumps. Some just pull threads or whatever on the head bolts. And yes, the motors must be pulled, the 20 head bolts drilled out (for heaven sakes do both heads if you have the motor out) threads tapped and inserts called Timeserts installed. This should permanently cure the gasket problem because the inserts will hold. And this costs big money 3/4,000 dollars.
Another big dollar problem can be a relay deep in the transmission which requires a motor and tranny pull and significant disassembly to get to the switch. If this fails, the lockup overdrive on the tranny is gone.
The Concours will have the electronic variable struts. About $750 plus labor each for factory replacement. There is not an aftermarket electronic replacement. There are companys that sell modified Monroe shocks (have to add Caddy mounting) and an electric resistor to plug into the wiring for each wheel that supposed to work and keep the error message from appearing. Some people have good luck with these, some never get the error message to stop.
And, with the other electronics, there can be problems.
And yes, I think the prices on both the cars you described are high. I think the 94 would be a $2,500 car, the 95 Concours a $3,500 car.
Caddys are great in many ways. The Northstar, even the smaller 275hp one, is very strong and sounds great and runs and accelerates great. It cruises great. Great air conditioners.
Many people drive for 200,000 miles with little problems. Others have lots and lots of problems. I feel that overall, they are high-maintenance cars.
#2102 of 2635 Re: 95 Concours reliability -- long term?! [bolivar]
Mar 23, 2006 (8:59 am)
I had a 96 DeVille bought new. Drove it till 02
without a whimper and 100k plus miles..........
The only major repair was a fuel pump and it needed
those $pendy ($2500 installed...not done) front struts.
So I traded it in for my 03.
Don't let the "timesert" issue scare you. These are
only done if/when the heads are pulled.
A check over by a good mechanic and a cooling system
pressure check (which should be done on ANY used car!)
It will prob. give you some good service down the road!
#2103 of 2635 Re: 95 Concours reliability -- long term?! [geo9]
Mar 23, 2006 (10:05 pm)
Just relating what happened with my 95 Concours from about 13,000 to 33,000 miles and about 3 years.