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#1058 of 2635 Quality Woes
Dec 08, 2002 (9:51 pm)
I'm a loyal GM owner, although I've always fretted about the build and material quality of their products compared with the Japanese or Germans. I sat in a 2003 Deville DHS at the auto show this weekend, and was appalled. The rear vanity visors were falling out of the headliner, and when I pressed them back in place, they barely stayed put with flimsy clips. Same for the overhead console up front. It seems to me that the interior fit and finish of the Deville is no better than a Chevrolet. I expect more from Cadillac (and Chevrolet as well) and just don't get why GM can't get their act together.
#1059 of 2635 Auto Shows...
Dec 09, 2002 (8:23 am)
...are not always the best place to judge a car's quality. Thousands of people and their children pass through these cars and break and steal things. I've seen plenty of Mercedes and Lexi with knobs and such missing or broken off. One S-Class I sat in had the entire driver's power seat switch broken off. I wouldn't be surprised if some kid didn't hang onto that vanity mirror and yanked it from the headliner.
#1060 of 2635 RE: Auto Shows...
Dec 09, 2002 (11:46 am)
After I wrote my post it occurred to me that someone would suggest that auto show cars are abused -- and I agree. But not in this case. I chose the example of the vanity mirrors because they were exceptionally flimsy (and would be in a new, unabused car as well). I have friends with Toyotas and Hondas and the difference in the quality of the interior trim between those cars and the Caddy is striking. In those other cars, sunshades don't feel like they are twisting the attachment points, switches click with a satisfying and precise feel, and I can't flex the console or door panels with my fingers. All I'm saying is that I'm disappointed that GM can't replicate that level of solidity in their cars. The $52,000 Caddy just seemed like a glaring example to me.
Dec 10, 2002 (7:50 am)
I don't think the sun shades in my 2002 Seville are as nice as the ones that were in my 98 Aurora. The vanity mirrors in them are not particularly "heavy duty" either, although I'm not sure I would want them built to with stand excessive abuse either. Yes, I think Cadillac has a ways to go to justify $50000+ price tags. I got mine for $10,000 off though, so I am happy.
Dec 13, 2002 (12:09 pm)
I can somewhat agree that Chevrolets seem to not have very good grade interior parts, but I've always been impressed with Cadillacs. Maybe they are still not up to MB or Lexus standards, but certainly better than your typical Honda or Toyopet. Speaking of Toyos, I've noticed their interiors seem to have much cheaper materials these days. Not long ago I rode with a co-worker who has a 1990 Camry LE. Nothing special about the performance of the car and the retarded motorized shoulder belts reminded me why I never even considered older Japanses cars, but I found the interior trim very nice. The cloth on the seats and door panels was very rich, almost like the plush cloth Buicks and Cadillacs used to offer. What I've seen in modern day Camrys is the typical "mouse fur" type cloth that pretty much everyone is using. Guess thats their way of trying to upsell you to leather.
#1063 of 2635 Compare the Included Features...
Dec 19, 2002 (6:23 pm)
...and you'll see that to get the "same car" from MB or Lexus would cost at least 10 grand more. The Caddys are more feature laden than either of the others, and have room in them for 5 real passengers and 3 bodies in the trunk...and given the economic climate nowadays, arent you glad they run on regular?
#1064 of 2635 Get serious...
Dec 20, 2002 (10:35 am)
When was the last time you had to get 3 bodies in the trunk at the SAME time? Time for an Escalade perhaps.
Dec 20, 2002 (10:51 am)
Okay, 3 or even 4 sets of golf clubs along with some luggage:)
Dec 21, 2002 (3:47 pm)
Maybe a head & torso rolled up in a carpet, 2 bags of clubs, and a baseball bat to press on the steering wheel airbag cover to honk the horn which requires so much effort that there's PROOF that you now have to be younger to drive a Caddy...
By the way, get the bucket seats. Have you ever tried to sit in the "front middle" seat? Ya have to open the sunroof to sit erect.
#1067 of 2635 we're living proof
Dec 22, 2002 (7:52 am)
Would the traditional Cadillac buyer crowd be joking about the number of bodies that can be carried in the Deville? I doubt it. We are living proof that the new and sarcastic (I hope) crowd has been targeted successfully by the GM marketing group. However, when they start offering a fluid proof liner option for the trunk we will know that their focus groups and research have truly struck paydirt.