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Re: 2000 S-Type 4.0 Motor Failure at 61,500 mi. [chander]
by rmbaker47
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Feb 20, 2007 (8:31 am)
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Replying to: chander (Feb 19, 2007 6:51 pm)
I believe the newer S-Types would have the same problem if the motor is made of aluminum and there is any plastic in the cooling system = 1 overheat and the motor is ruined. When I was trying to figure out how to solve my anti-freeze leaking into the oil problem, I was told that the only way to repair such a failure is to replace the motor with new as rebuilding an aluminum motor is very chancy when it has warped! Now Jaguar may try to convince you that the standard warranty covers that problem and you can buy an extended warranty but they will use any excuse to void the warranty. For example, if you ever change your oil at any non-Jaguar location or do it yourself, that voids the warranty as far as they are concerned. I don't know about you, but $100 for an oil change + $100 - $200 for any other just diagnostic look at you car when you take it into a Jaguar service location is highway robbery! My next door neighbor just had a 50K check-up on his Jaguar which has a 100K extended warranty = $1,200! My opinion after owning 2 Jaguars over the past 10 years (a 1990 Sovereign whose head gasket went out at 40K miles again leaking antifreeze into the oil and costing us $3,500 to repair and our 2000 S-Type which is a total loss)and trying to work with my local Jaguar dealer Millinium Jaguar in Plano, TX is that Jaguars and their service program are the worst designed and most expensive on the planet other than an exotic car like a Ferrari or Lamborghini. I speak from considerable experience as I have owned a large number of cars in my life and currently own 14 cars including 10 classics that I have purchased and restored myself. Let me give you some other examples of Jaguar service rip offs:1) Replace the starter motor on our 1990 Sovereign at 40K miles = almost $600 at Millinium - any GM, Ford or Chrysler car would be $50 to $75 for the replacement starter motor and an hour of work to replace yourself and you haven't voided any warranty!, worst case $250 at a factory service location, 2)When the S-Type burp tank failed 2 years ago as the original problem that destroyed our motor, I took it to Millinium and called Jaguar from there after the diagnosis = Jaguar's position = tough luck!, I got a quote for Millinium to fix the burp tank before I knew that the motor was already ruined and they wanted $1,200 to replace what is essentially a plastic milk jug (Price = $250+)that failed while I was still within the 1st 3 year factory warranty but over by 3,000 miles on the 36K limit. Clearly the tank failed due to accumulated heat and pressure fatigue and Jaguar had lots of S-Types doing so. I still have the failed burp tank for law suite purposes. When I reviewed Millinium's burp tank repair quote for reasonableness, I found they were charging me $75 per gallon for replacement antifreeze!!! I knew I was being ripped off and had the repair done elsewhere for 1/2 the price even paying full price for the Jaguar replacement parts!
Bottom line is we got burned as no other car had ever done to me by the 1990 Sovereign and lost a lot of money when I could only get $5K for it used! But my wife wanted another one and I tricked myself into believing that since Ford had owned them since the mid-1990 and the S-Type had a Ford V8 motor that it should be reliable? One of the worst decisions of my life! Currently, our 2000 S-Type is at the CoPart Auto Auction salvage car facility in Dallas to be auctioned tomorrow and the current bid for the parts is $3,050 and I feel luck to get that! I could not trade it in due to the check motor light being on, nor run it through the normal used car auction the dealers use for trade-ins because any used car sold at auction with over $500 in repair problems voids the sale! So this $50K car is sitting among the insurance wrecks and cars that have been ruined by flood and is being sold for scrap!!
Think carefully about buying into such a transportation scheme unless money is no object to you?
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Re: 2000 S-Type 4.0 Motor Failure at 61,500 mi. [rmbaker47]
by knowspinzone
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Mar 03, 2007 (7:44 pm)
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Replying to: rmbaker47 (Feb 20, 2007 8:31 am)
"For example, if you ever change your oil at any non-Jaguar location or do it yourself, that voids the warranty as far as they are concerned."
Mike, that may void it in their mind, but not in the mind of the law. If you maintain the vehicle to the manufacturer specs, it doesn't matter where you have it serviced or if you do it yourself. Of course you do have to have proof of this.
They may tell you its not covered because you didn't have Jaguar do the work, but they are just hoping you accept that and walk away. I would tell them that if they don't honor the warranty then you will take it up with the Consumer Protection Dept. of your State Attorney General. Also, you will pursue legal action. In my state, Mass., in cases of consumer fraud like this, you can sue for 3 times the loss plus attorney's fees.
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- #929 of 1027
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Parking Aid Silent
by alansecker
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Mar 08, 2007 (8:14 am)
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My 2002 S-Type has a reverse parking aid with no visible sensors. It was suggested to me that this may be because the system is radio rather than ultra-sonic but I cannot judge. Anyway within the last two days it has refused to beep. Is there anything I can do to fix it? I cannot find anything in the manual. 
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Problem Closing Sunglass Holder
by jcnewton
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Mar 24, 2007 (6:11 pm)
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Hi Everybody, new owner of a 2003 S-Type. Love the car but finding a couple nits.
Has anyone else ever had problems getting the sunglasses holder in the overhead to stay closed? Are there any tricks?
Thanks!
John
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- #931 of 1027
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S Type Purchase
by hamptla1
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Mar 31, 2007 (11:23 pm)
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Kind Folks,
I am considering a 2004 4.2 s-type with 87,000 miles. Is this a wise move or a waste of money?
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- #932 of 1027
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Re: S Type Purchase [hamptla1]
by rmbaker47
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Apr 01, 2007 (1:42 pm)
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Replying to: hamptla1 (Mar 31, 2007 11:23 pm)
Few if any V8 S-Types have made it to 87K miles without the cooling system failing and thus the aluminum motor being ruined = $14K to replace to the owner - never Jaguar Ltd.! I have written about this problem in detail in my previous contributions where our 2000 S-Type motor failed at 61K miles resulting in a salvage sale. Others failed as early as 26K miles! Please review for more detail. I believe you would be throwing away what they are asking you to pay for the car plus the agravation of unreliability, horendous service fees and the naging daily problems of the car sticking in Park, windows failing to operate, etc., etc. all documented in these pages!!! My advice, run, don't walk away from a Jaguar!
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Re: Cold weather "FAIL SAFE MODE" [mfrank1]
by johndahlia
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May 04, 2007 (4:11 pm)
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Replying to: mfrank1 (Jan 04, 2001 12:00 pm)
Has anyone helped you with that yet? I have a 2000 s type and my "Fail Safe" also came on, now it won't move. Engine does start. Any info you can give would be greatly appricated.
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- #934 of 1027
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Fail Safe Mode
by johndahlia
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May 04, 2007 (4:15 pm)
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Can anyone help me? I have a 2000 S type that the Fail Safe light came on. Now the car starts, but won't move anywhere. If it does move, very slowly. Need HELP!!!!!! 
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