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Re: Dismal Prospects?? [cdnpinhead] by wshfl
Jul 20, 2006 (6:25 am)
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Replying to: cdnpinhead (Jul 19, 2006 3:42 pm)

Thanks for the reply re: the "tragically flawed?" Jag.S.
Still hoping for some positive experiences, particularly since my two American vehicles -- a Dodge and a Jeep ( not particularly loved by Consumer Reports) have about 200,000 miles each, without unusually high maintenance costs. Hope springs eternal! ( The caps. on the previous message were not deliberate).
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RE: Dismal Prospects?? by mylemon2
Aug 02, 2006 (9:11 pm)
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I had MAJOR problems with my Jaguar S-Type! A sudden acceleration, for one, which resulted in a crash that could have killed me or someone else! Dealer couldn't reproduce it, so they said it never happened! But, IT DID!!!Of course, Jaguar Cars, the manufacturer agreed with Dealer! Neither will take back my car & exchange it. They want to STICK me with it, and STICK ME with all of the remaining lease payments for a car that I will NEVER drive again! Jaguar doesn't care about their customers or their safety. All they want is our money! They have made that very clear to me! I loved the body style of my Jag, and the XJs, but I will NEVER buy or lease a Jaguar again!! They advertise their cars as Jag-u-ar in their affected English accent, like they are only appealing to the upper class, but they treated me like scum! My experience with both Jaguar Cars and Jaguar Credit has been a LIVING HELL that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy!!!! (All "caps" were intended!) I had a Nissan with over 100,000 miles & never had one problem! My Jag had under 30,000 miles! Does that answer your question?
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RE: Dismal Prospects?? [mylemon2] by dhanley
Aug 03, 2006 (5:37 am)
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Replying to: mylemon2 (Aug 02, 2006 9:11 pm)

Well, look it at from jaguar's perspective. If they replaced your car because you confused the gas and the brake, anyone could break their least at any time, returning a damaged car in the process.
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RE: Dismal Prospects?? [dhanley] by mylemon2
Aug 05, 2006 (5:06 pm)
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Replying to: dhanley (Aug 03, 2006 5:37 am)

Jaguar is only ASSUMING that I stepped on the gas pedal instead of the brake, because THEY can't seem to "duplicate" the problem during their 50 minute inspection or their 20 mile road test!!! Can't imagine why!!! Meanwhile, checking through NHTSA complaints, Jaguar websites customer complaints, and reading a book entitled "Sudden Acceleration" by Ralph Nader & Clarence Dutrow, there have been MANY legitimate complaints of unexplained sudden acceleration. This book, and also Anthony Anderson, an engineer, in his report, have many explanations for "sudden acceleration", relating to MANUFACTURING defects, computer malfunctions, electro-magnetic interference or noise, and cruise control malfunctions, etc. As you are aware Jaguar S-Types do NOT have an on/off swith for cruise control. It is permanently ON, but supposed to kick in only at about 30 mph. Mine was previously in for service because the cruise control DID malfunction. Maybe it did, again, & this time caused the sudden acceleration. Or, maybe it was electromagnetic interference. How come my favorite AM radio station ALWAYS screeches or gets extremely fuzzy, or goes off completely EVERY time I pull into this same parking lot where my "sudden acceleration" accident happened? It goes back to normal as I go away from the lot! There is an MRI Center and many doctors & dentists with X-Ray and other equipment right near where I had my accident. Electro-magnetic interference???? MAYBE!!! Hospitals have signs warning visitors NOT to use hand held radios or cell phones because they can cause hospital equipment to malfunction! Can't this also work in reverse, where this equipment can cause radio or a computer malfunction to visitor's things-- like to my car's radio or computer, causing my car to malfunction? Anderson thinks so!! And so do I. What if I'm RIGHT & Jaguar's WRONG? Even if the odds are 50/50, isn't it more prudent to get this car off the road than to just go with Jaguar's ASSUMPTION that I pressed the wrong pedal? (And I KNOW that I did NOT press the wrong pedal!!!) If I were in Jaguar's position I would NOT take the risk that I (Jaguar) just might be wrong, and that someone could be killed or very seriously injured. What is "money" compared to human life or suffering? Obviously, to Jaguar, "MONEY" is the ONLY important thing!!! Or, they would have just exchanged my car for another of comparable value! Their loss on my car would have been nothing compared to the lost sales they may suffer just from my friends & family alone. Until this, I had loved my Jag & would have bought or leased many more in the future. I was dreaming about someday owning a XJ8L My friends & neighbors had also admired my S & would be in the market for an S or XJ8 or Vanden Plas. Not after my experience! My friend loves his Vanden Plas, but now has second thoughts about leasing another when his lease is up soon! I am now in litigation with Jag. Free lawyer for me- but Should cost Jag some bucks(possibly enough legal fees to equal what it would have cost them to just have given me a different comparable car!) Hoqw STUPID of them to spend their money on legal fees rather on making a customer happy. Instead I am EXTREMELY UNHAPPY & word gets around!
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RE: Dismal Prospects?? [mylemon2] by dhanley
Aug 05, 2006 (6:14 pm)
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Replying to: mylemon2 (Aug 05, 2006 5:06 pm)

"Jaguar is only ASSUMING that I stepped on the gas pedal instead of the brake, because THEY can't seem to "duplicate" the problem during their 50 minute inspection"
 
No, they are not. They are assuming this, because if you readlly did have the brake pressed to the floor, the car wouldn't move forward. The brakes are MUCH stronger than the engine.
 
Put yourself in _our_ position. Would you assume that an anonymous person on the internet had made a normal human mistake, or that something physically impossible had happened?
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Re: Dismal Prospects?? by mylemon2
Aug 05, 2006 (8:26 pm)
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That might be true, IF the car operated as expected. How do you explain that when my foot was on the brake,at first I felt the normal brake resistance, but then, suddenly the brake pedal lost all resistance and just went down to the floor? I then put both feet on the brake and car still wouldn't stop. Both my feet can fit on the brake pedal. I most certainly did not have 1 foot on the gas & 1 foot on the brake! Especially since I use my right TOE on the gas and the Ball of my foot on the brake, and it was the BALL of my foot and then the BALLS of both feet that I applied to the BRAKE. I cannot reach the gas pedal with the ball of my foot, so I KNOW that the ball of my foot was on the BRAKE when I tried to stop the car! Also, I was so shocked that the car was not stopping that I LOOKED DOWN at my feet on the BRAKE to see, in fact, that I was on the brake pedal. It was easy to see this, because , when my feet went to the floor on the brake, it slid me forward, almost off my seat onto the floor, as I pushed down on the brake with all my might.I have spoken to several of my engineer friends and computer wiz people about this, and EVERYONE concurs that system glitches in cars CAN occur which can cause intermittant failures which are hard to duplicate=especially in the short term,like during only a 50 minute inspection or 20 mile road test by Jag! Again, I reiterate, what would the financial cost be to Jaguar to just exchange this car for another car COMPARABLE in price, versus paying attorney fees, since I sued them,(PLUS my attorney fees, if I win, & my lawyer feels confident that I will),PLUS a settlement or replacement car to me, if I win, PLUS lost future sales from me and my family, PLUS loss of future sales of my friends & neighbors who know of my accident and my dissatisfaction in dealing with Jaguar, PLUS loss of future sales from anyone hearing about this from people that I told! Wouldn't you say Jaguar would have come out better financially in the long run just exchanging my car for me???? If they felt it was a safe car,they could just sell it or lease it to someone else and it would be a win/win for all! Even if they lost some money on it due to it being in an accident, they would still be better off than paying legal fees + all this negative publicity, which could result in loss of sales. (car has been repaired by authorized Jag body shop & actually looks brand new now, plus parts are new, replacing 3 year old parts)
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Re: Dismal Prospects?? [mylemon2] by dhanley
Aug 06, 2006 (5:43 am)
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Replying to: mylemon2 (Aug 05, 2006 8:26 pm)

Question: why do you not sell the car yourself?
 
Why don't you trade it in on another car?
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Ford Ready to Dump Jaguar by jaxs1
Aug 06, 2006 (1:25 pm)
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http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/06/news/international/ford_landrover.reut/index.htm- -
 
I wonder who wants it?
Jaguar is so unattractive that they need to bundle it with a Land Rover sale.
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Groan by joebob123
Aug 07, 2006 (5:48 am)
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2003 S-type.....groans when I come to a complete stop..doesn't groan when I apply the brakes untill I stop. Any Ideas of what this is or how to fix it. I would like to know before I take it in.
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Re: Dismal Prospects?? [dhanley] by mylemon2
Aug 07, 2006 (2:00 pm)
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Replying to: dhanley (Aug 06, 2006 5:43 am)

I can't sell or trade a car that I don't own. Jaguar Credit owns it. I only lease it. That's why I can't understand why They are so stubborn about just exchanging it for another car, and then they can sell it or lease it to someone else if they believe it is so safe!

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