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Jaguar S-Type, Sedan
#383 of 1065 2003 S-Type!
Sep 04, 2002 (7:37 am)
Checked out the interior of the new 2003 S-Type at a local dealer the other day. Though I must agree that the total interior package has improved overall since the 2001 S-Type. I still felt that the black plastic face plate surrounding the Climate control and Audio head unit looked really really cheap! Something one would expect in a Ford Focus or Hyundai Accent, not a $50,000 mid-size luxo-crusier. The little wood grain looking plastic door that covers the ash tray looked just plain gawd awful! Why would any maker of luxury automobiles throw in high quality leather and fine wood trim and then finish it off with the cheapest quality plastics they could fine. I know you'll never see Lexus, Mercedes or BMW commit such a dastardly crime againt a luxury motorcar's interior. Guess you don't get much nowadays for $50,000, at least not from Jaguar.
Sep 04, 2002 (9:40 am)
You are absolutely correct - the S-type interior is pure trash. Now please go bother the forums for those other premium brands and stop whining about it here.
Sep 04, 2002 (11:15 am)
Mike-Lisa, I thought I recognized your writing style! Haven't seen you at JagTalk recently. Unless you changed your username there?
#386 of 1065 cfgross: 2003 S-type
Sep 04, 2002 (1:01 pm)
What are your impressions of the automatic transmission vs. the 2002 model?
#387 of 1065 Transmission
Sep 04, 2002 (4:21 pm)
Gary, the difference between the two is like night and day. While the 2002 was by no means even remotely a slouch, the 5 speed did not seem to be well mated to the engine. There was a slight hesitation starting from a standstill that was less than a similar hesitation my '99 Lexus GS300 had, but enough to keep the car from really jumping off the line. The biggest weakness, however, was downshifting for acceleration (for passing). The transmission seemed to have difficulty figuring out whether to drop one or two gears on hard acceleration, delaying briefly and ultimately very abruptly dropping 2. I found that to prevent the car from lurching forward, I had to gently apply pressure to the gas, which sometimes would result in no downshift and slow accelleration.
The new transmission is virtually invisible. The shifts are not really noticeable, unless looking for them. The hesitation from stop is gone, and acceleration is virtually instantaneous, without the search for the right gear to drop to. All in all, it is vastly superior.
Sep 04, 2002 (4:35 pm)
I wasn't trying to be snippy here everyone, and I wasn't trying to cause any offense so I apologize if that was how you took my post. I was just trying to convey my thoughts about how everyone seems to dissect the car's interior when it is in fact a very nice interior - and it's even better than any of its competators' interiors in my opinion. Some people feel that the plastics used in one or two places should be of a higher quality, but to me, they demonstrate that they are of high quality in their resilience and strength. A complaint would only come from me if the plastics were defective or not functioning in a way that they should within the car. If they pushed-in or gave way when you tried to push a radio button, then I could really understand complaints - but they don't. If I thought they were ugly, I'd complain, but I don't think they are. If you simply don't like black plastic there, then you can choose to cover it up with more wood. But the whole Jaguar line has the same black plastic there with the same kind of "loop" around it, and I really think that it looks nice that way on its own.
If you want "better" plastics there though, I'm not saying that you shouldn't keep wanting them, or if you want secondary climate control displays in your trip computer, then that's fine too. But I don't think people should be saying that the interior is a total let-down and is awful and ugly and unfunctional and uncomfortable and cheap and appalling to look at simply because of a little bit of black plastic on the radio and climate control system panels. You are right when you bring up that no car is perfect and that no car's interior is perfect, but if you all think that a little bit of "better" plastic and redundant secondary displays would make the interior perfect, then I think that it goes to show how really nice the S-TYPE's interior is. And that is why I am just sick of hearing complaints and even rants about it (jagone), when it is that close to being perfect. No one ever seems to bring up any of the good points about one of the nicest interiors in the segment, just complaints about what really are minor things. That was my point, and I hope no one takes offense from it.
#389 of 1065 Black Plastic
Sep 04, 2002 (6:11 pm)
Just get the charcoal interior...that'll hide the black platic if you can't get over it.
Sep 04, 2002 (7:24 pm)
You're just young and a little overenthusiastic at times - it's understandable. Don't waste your fingers over folks like Jagone - it's possible he doesn't even believe what he writes and is only doing it for effect (there's a word for that but Pat won't let me say it ), or he just doesn't get it and never will. It's not important and it's not worth arguing about. Just ignore it and move on.
#391 of 1065 '03 S-type 4.2 vs. '02 XJ Sport
Sep 04, 2002 (11:28 pm)
I purchased a carnival red/sand '03 S-type 4.2 (w/o sport pkg.) last week to replace my '00 S-type 4.0 w/ sport pkg. While I had my share of the common problems with the '00, it was nearly flawless for the last 14-16 months I owned it. This fact, plus a superb dealer, plus all the positive reviews of the '03 convinced me to go for the '03. So far, I am not diasppointed. It is a fantastic car by all standards, especially the ride and handling which are due to the new tranny, the new engine, and the new suspension. Just great engineering.
My wife leased a 2002 XJ Sport in January, so I can compare the XJ to the new S-type with some degree of confidence. The XJ "feels" heavier and its sport suspension is quite different than the non-sport S-type. From my experiences with the '00 S-type w/ sport suspension, I would say the XJ is a lot smoother. I am sure the XJ tranny is better matched than the '00 S-type as well, but the new '03 tranny on my S is something to behold - XJ doesn't hold a candle to this baby. I like the sport seats of the XJ and they should be similar for an S w/ sport, but I did not want that "hard" of a suspension this time around (guess I'm getting old). All in all, both cars are absolutely superb although they drive and feel different - and they should.
The new S has much better std seats (say great seats) than the older S, it has more room in the left rear due to the adjustable brake/gas pedals, it has more room in the trunk due to the "thinner" rear shelf, it has more storage room and cup holders, its prem sound system is stronger than the older models although they left out some goodies such as some of the DSP features. It has a stiffer platform by 10% and the redesigned console and instruments look very nearly like the XJ, including the "black plastic" around the climate/sound controls. To me, this is quite stunning, and I have had nothing short of "excellent" comments from about a dozen associates who have seen the car. The stiffer platform results in fewer rattles and less overall noise.
Finally, it will GO! It's the quickest car since my '69 Dodge Charger 383 w/ 4bbl. Maybe quicker, but one can't "spin the tires" with traction control and DSC engaged.
For anyone who is on the fence, I do not believe you can go wrong with the new '03 S-type - at least the 4.2. Car, engine, and tranny were made for each other. I test drove the '03 3.0 and liked it very much, but once you try the 4.2, there is no comparison.
Hope this helps someone.
Sep 04, 2002 (11:50 pm)
Oh no, in my last post, I just wanted to let whatup and anyone else who might have taken offense know that I wasn't trying to start anything and that I respect their opinions and their suggestions for interior improvements, but felt there were really only minor improvements that really needed to be made if made at all. Between my first post about the interior and my second one, I had noticed that Pat had had to delete some posts, and I assumed that my post may have started the rest of the deleted posts coming in. I hadn't checked back in time to read any of the deleted posts, but if I had caused a problem, I wanted to let everyone know that wasn't my intent. I also wanted to appologize if anyone had taken offense to something I had said. Jagone was just used as an example of one of the ranters in my other post, I wasn't about to focus on that subject. I guess I'm not being very clear - so I'll just say that if my first post had started anything, I didn't mean for it to. I had just wanted to put a little perspective in, but not cause any chaos if I did. That was all. Anyway, moving on...
Thanks for being so understanding.